Where are the vulcans?

[Tok`ra]

posted on February 1st, 2011, 1:44 pm

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Well, if the Okinawa is supposed to be a Klingon/Fed hybrid, maybe the Vulcans have a few ideas of their own...?

(To anyone who recognizes this ship, I'm sorry. Though, if you've actually checked out that particular A2-Mod, some of the designs are kind of similar...)

If you mean the Okinawa class from the Klingon Academy 2 mod, pretty much all ships from that mod are from teh game Klingon Academy, or the SFC series.

Edit: Okinawa class Federation Frigate

IMO the enteprise ship designers just made a mistake in making the earth ships look like future starfleet ships, whilst the rest all had their own alien designs. Because now we're pretty much supposed to believe that after coming together in the federation, everyone suddenly started using human designs.

No, they just pooled their design skills and produced unified designs.

Those ships make up starfleet.

posted on February 1st, 2011, 2:51 pm

I assume he meant the FO Okinawa, obviously.

posted on February 1st, 2011, 4:10 pm

well in the 150 years between ent and tos starfleet could have standardised ship production by member worlds. starfleet never had shields before the federation, presumably the andorians/vulcans provided that. Other tech from the alien races was probably used, and the ships just cosmetically followed the same ideas. it would serve the same purpose as uniforms, to make starfleet ships identifiable. It would look unprofessional if they all looked different. Starfleet must look dapper to impress all the alien babes. Kirk wouldnt have got as much action if his ship was ugly :p

Presumably in fleetops each race still operates private and merchant ship designs of their own. But all military things are handled by starfleet. So no vulcan combat ships.

Vulcan crewed starfleet ships like the intrepid and the one from 'DS9: take me out to the holosuite and write a stupid script', can be explained by a vulcan captain's arrogance and belief that vulcans are awesomer than all other feddies and work best with other vulcans.

Political correctness is illogical

posted on February 1st, 2011, 5:11 pm

No, they just pooled their design skills and produced unified designs.

And made them all look like human vessels. :/

Myles you have a nice point there, humans were never seen developing stuff like shields!

also the uniforms arent specifically human design! yay! *feels safer now*

posted on February 1st, 2011, 5:20 pm

I wonder what influence Earth had on Starfleet ships aside from the general appearance...

posted on February 1st, 2011, 10:02 pm

I wonder what influence Earth had on Starfleet ships aside from the general appearance...

well lets make an assumption here (not a good one to make, but it makes dates easier to deal with) that the federation starfleet was formed when the federation was formed. and that it kept the name and basic structure of earth starfleet because earth was the peace mongering force that helped form the federation. and they needed to make a decision on what to call their military and exploration arm.

at that time vulcan/andorian technology was better than earth starfleet technology in several ways. they had faster engines, tractor beams, shields, stronger weapons and star charts

presumably when the federation was founded (maybe years later), scientists from the smarter races went around and taught the younger races some science.

the ships do look starfleet, maybe earth starfleet stumbled onto some good efficiency/safety ideas in their design, which would mean their design really is good. presumably starfleet based shields on vulcan/andorian tech. they probably integrated the engine tech too. and the tractor beams. maybe even some weapons lol. phase cannons sound similar to phasers, maybe vulcans were using phase tech as well. but it seems to me that earth starfleet only contributed the cosmetic designs lol.

federation starfleet would like to have their ships all look similar, so they picked a race which all federation founding members could agree on. if vulcan designs became the new standard, there would be a few racist andorians who werent pleased and vice versa. so they just picked earth starfleet.

if gene roddenberry's ideals had been matched by his spending power, there probably would have been more aliens on the ships. but cosmetics cost money, and star trek is made for profit.

posted on February 2nd, 2011, 6:59 am

Of course I mean't the FO Okinawa...

As for the 'starfleet' design issue?  Wouldn't it be hilarious if that every time the federation signed/conquered?!! a new planet, their local fleets were recycled for parts towards new 'starfleet vessels?'

We're leaning into evil mirror-universe territory here, but you don't see the Enterprise-D being backed up by 'Federation-member Alien ship-B,' no, you see that F'ing generic Excelsior for the ****teenth time...

I would hope that there are still species' specific spacecraft within the federation.  Starfleet is just the Federation's Official "Military Branch." or at least space-faring/etc...  Therefore, a unique Starfleet design with an influence from 'parallel' Vulcan starship mechanics may be still viable, regardless of the fact that most Vulcan shipbuilding resources go toward "Starfleet" designs.

posted on February 2nd, 2011, 3:00 pm

The Federation in Fleet Ops operates a bit like the US in terms of military - there are militia for each state, but they are supposed to stay protecting the planet they belong to. For instance, Risan Defense Forces or some such

posted on February 2nd, 2011, 3:06 pm

Risan defence force... weird concept, considering what the planet's like.

posted on February 3rd, 2011, 12:24 am

Risan defence force... weird concept, considering what the planet's like.

Considering how many of their officers go vacationing there, Starfleet should probably have some kind of garrison, right? 

I Imagine The "Risan Defence Fleet" to be one or two non-warp Mirandas (if two, one is just set up as an automated-turret/storage), and an ancient, semi-cannibalized Excelsior; (a nacelle's missing, but they could possibly limp along at warp 1 for a few minutes) captained by some grizzled Lieutenant who spends his off-time planet-side, drinking.

"Captain's log, Stardate... Uhh, Tuesday?  Something smells funny on deck four.  I've decided to avoid deck four.  Drank some blue stuff yesterday; tasted like pineapple.  Wore my flip-flops on the bridge this morning.  Ensign Xglork didn't care...  Might wear shorts tomorrow; pants are itchy.  End Log."

posted on February 3rd, 2011, 12:28 am

Yeah, but I meant a native defence force. Could you imagine a race who turned their homeworld into a large 'pleasure planet' with a little warfleet?

posted on February 3rd, 2011, 12:44 am

Wait, they aren't just a federation vacation colony?  It's an actual-...?!

If someone could conceive of such a thing, I'd pay good money (to watch it fight something)
STAR TREK (reboot) II:  The Wrath Of RISA.

No, maybe I take that back. Maybe.

[Tyler]

posted on February 3rd, 2011, 12:48 am

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It's a Federation member and homeworld of the Risians, who were there before the Federation arrived.

If they have a native defence force, I wonder what they ships would look like?

posted on February 3rd, 2011, 12:58 am

Worst-case scenario:  They keep up the 'vacation-motif' of their planet when designing spacecraft.

EDIT:  Remind to to PS some warbirds in there later.

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posted on February 3rd, 2011, 1:00 am

Worst-case? I'd love to see a Cardassians face when he finds a fleet of winged busses attacking his ships. That would be priceless.