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posted on June 4th, 2010, 5:02 pm

Locutus was as much a name as if you were working in a place where everyone is 'Employee 02104' but you got to be 'Janitor'.  It's a job title, nothing more special than that.  It was selected out of the languages Picard knows, likely because Latin is the language that unified a very large portion of the world for quite some time.  A not-so-subtle hint that we assimilate too.

[Tyler]

posted on June 4th, 2010, 5:16 pm

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It was still a 'name', which other Borg don't have. Humans also get named after other things, even places. Being named for the alien word for your role isn't much different from being named after a city, river or mythical figure. Having a meaning doesn't mean it isn't a name, and it's just more meaningful for them.

It's been used in both description and name style in the past, though. He was referred to as Locutus of Borg, never Locutus X of X of Borg, which would imply it was both his role description and designation (which is a name).

If they (the Borg, not the creators) intended it to use the latin meaning, it wouldn't make sense. Some in ther Federation know latin, but it uses English as standard. They should have learned that from Picard.

posted on June 4th, 2010, 5:58 pm

i agree with tyler that locutus is a name and not a role.

(like the Ent-E Every time it rams something)

the big E has only rammed once, in nemesis. picard should have learned from generations not to let that idiot troi the uninsurable drive. every time he gives that b**ch the keys she crashes the ship. i mean FFS she hit a planet, A F**KING PLANET, they are huge and move very predictably.

posted on June 4th, 2010, 9:00 pm

posted on June 4th, 2010, 9:06 pm

Generations was probably intentional. In TheGreatLink's Dominion war videos, she rams the enemy then tells Picard not to critisize her councilling.

posted on June 4th, 2010, 11:26 pm

Only once?  I could have sworn it was at least twice... (Though that means I'm still technically correct in using 'every time')

Didn't they try it in Insurrection, or something?  Bah, can't remember.  Maybe I just heard them say it somewhere else, and not follow through.

As for the borg, nobodoy can't say they don't like to try new things, when their usual methods stop working...  (buddy up to Janeway etc..)

posted on June 4th, 2010, 11:30 pm

Insurrection was a feint; Enterprise never intended to go through with it.

Worf did attempt it with the Defiant, but Enterprise got to him first in First Contact. Maybe you were thinking of that?

Funnily enough, the Borg were the only ones who succesfully rammed with a big ship.

posted on June 5th, 2010, 12:00 am

Funnily enough, the Borg were the only ones who succesfully rammed with a big ship.

are u referring to scorpion? taking out the bioship?

i would contest that the big E did good in nemesis, the enemy had a ship with 70% shields and loads of weapons, that collision took out their weapons and shields, levelling the playing field.

posted on June 5th, 2010, 12:05 am

It crippled Scimitar, while the Cube destroyed the Bioship. Crippling isn't usually the intention of a kamikaze attack.

I wouldn't exactly say it took out the shields, they 'conveniently' vanished just before the ram.

posted on June 5th, 2010, 12:08 am

true he wanted to blow em up. self destruct was broken lol how complicated is self destruct. just fly near scimitar then phaser warp core, boom.

maybe shields cant tolerate collisions at all. like they are very weak against them. all collisions we've seen in trek have ignored shields. maybe the power of the ship colliding collapsed the shields. i would bet that shields couldnt resist a ship.
i would have liked a better visual effect for it though, maybe the ship crumples against the shield and then collapses it.

[Tyler]

posted on June 5th, 2010, 12:13 am

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maybe shields cant tolerate collisions at all. like they are very weak against them.

Maybe. Would make them pretty poor against torpedoes, though, being projectiles colliding with the shields.

all collisions we've seen in trek have ignored shields. maybe the power of the ship colliding collapsed the shields. i would bet that shields couldnt resist a ship.

Most battles ignore shields... even before damaged.

i would have liked a better visual effect for it though, maybe the ship crumples against the shield and then collapses it.

Can't argue there... everything else in the movie looked great, then they scive off at the end.

posted on June 5th, 2010, 12:14 am

Maybe. Would make them pretty poor against torpedoes, though.

maybe torps detonate at shields. and torps are small, collision of a non exploding torp could be blocked maybe. but a sovvie is big and could push through shields.

posted on June 5th, 2010, 12:21 am

Possibly, though they could also work similar to that personal shield Apophis used; slow things getting through while fast ones are blocked. A ship at impulse (especially a crippled Sovereign) would be much slower than a Torpedo.

posted on June 5th, 2010, 12:29 am

hmmm an interesting idea.

also just to be pedantic, most goa'uld used the ribbon device's personal shield. jack famously threw his handy dandy knife into heru'ur's hand.

[Dave Denton]

posted on June 5th, 2010, 8:49 pm

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If those shields block torpedoes, then they can block ships too.
This means that no ship is going to get through shields like they weren't there.