Third Avatar for Klingons

posted on January 1st, 2010, 11:25 pm

What about an Klingon - Cardassian Alliance avatar fresh from the mirror universe. Maybe the Hideki as second scout ( maybe with higher sensorrange ), Galor as destroyer ( stats somewhere around K'beajQ and K'Vort ) and Keldon as cruiser ( somewhere between Charg'H and Vor'cha ). I know Cardassians will be introduced as mercenaries but only in this universe I think the devs could find a nice story to explain the reasons for a invasion from the mirror universe ... if you and they like this idea

posted on January 1st, 2010, 11:29 pm

People don't sem entirely fond of the 'playable mirror' idea (or is it just a TNG-Era Terran Empire they don't like?).

posted on January 2nd, 2010, 2:05 am

Mirror Universe stuff won't be included in Fleet Operations, but you might see some strange Federation-like derelicts in a few maps in the future. Perhaps in a single player campaign of your own making - but the Devs prefer to keep mirror universes and alternate universes seperate from Fleet Operations

[Anonymous]

posted on January 2nd, 2010, 6:33 am

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I wouldn't mind seeing Emperor Kahless as the 3rd avatar.  Since he tries to persuade Klingons to be honorable and uphold their traditions, he could give bonuses to "traditional" Klingon ships, such as the D-7 style K'beajq or the Vorcha.  Perhaps the cost of these vessels is decreased by 10% or something.  Or maybe a few of his ships could have advanced cloaks, not just the Bortas.

But Mal, cloaking doesn't reflect honor or tradition!

Yes, I was just thinking up ideas , and I still think Kahless is someone we know who would be a figure of authority, and would make a great 3rd avatar, I think.

posted on January 2nd, 2010, 8:35 am

I dig the Kahless idea.  It might even be cool to see an avatar ability where Klingons gain strength from seeing their brethren die gloriously in battle with them.  Something like each time a Klingon ship on their side dies nearby the surrounding ships gain a weapon speed increase for 5 seconds.  The effect could be based upon the power of the ship that perished and non-stackable so that a million B'rels dying gloriously didn't give a 10 billion % boost.  A Negh'var going to Stovokor could give an 80% weapon speed boost for 5 seconds while a B'rel dying could do 10 or 20 (Non-stackable).

  That might be a nice ability for the Kahless Avatar as he is generally regarded as the epitome of Klingon Honor and such.  It would also cause a battle that is being lost to swing into a mighty victory in certain situations and discourage Klingons from retreating dishonorably.

posted on January 2nd, 2010, 8:36 am

My vote is still for the oh-so-honorless Toral as a third Klingon avatar. 

posted on January 2nd, 2010, 1:08 pm

Toral's probably dead by now. Assuming he wasn't killed in the Dominion War, his habit of allying with the Romulans likely bit him in the ass eventually.

[Anonymous]

posted on January 2nd, 2010, 1:47 pm

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Nah not Toral ... you have already TaQ’roja representing the house of Duras ... no need for the crappy little kid Toral.

Mirror Universe stuff won't be included in Fleet Operations, [...] but the Devs prefer to keep mirror universes and alternate universes seperate from Fleet Operations

Hmm ... sadly cause i'm a really big fan of the mirror universe ... but i'm not running out of ideas, so here is my next one

A special mixed tech avatar named ... Worf 

Yes Worf ... the ambassador between the Federation and the Klingon Empire. Who would be better to improve teamplay between Federation and Klingon. He will get improved mixed tech from his federation ally, a station named "Klingon communication array" which will allow him to call in federation reinforcements ( so like Starfleet Command but only with 5 slots and without acess to experimental warp in ) and a special hero ship, the USS Defiant. This Defiant will be much stronger as the normal federation Defiant ( thanks to O'Briens improvements ^^ ), equipped with a cloaking device and have a build limit of one.
And if its possible this avatar will only available if your ally is Federation.

posted on January 2nd, 2010, 1:49 pm

The USS Defiant is Sisko's ship, Worf only borrows it.

posted on January 2nd, 2010, 1:59 pm

If its Siskos ship why Worf commanded the Defiant in First Contact
And remember ... Sisko is "dead" ^^
Yeah i know that he must borrow it so it is not available from the beginning and maybe you could switch it also in the Klingon communication array to show that he got it directly from Starfleet and cant build it on his own ^^

[Tyler]

posted on January 2nd, 2010, 2:03 pm

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If its Siskos ship why Worf commanded the Defiant in First Contact
And remember ... Sisko is "dead" ^^

Worf often had it when Sisko is 'unavailable' (Sisko - Captain, Worf - Not captain). Plus Sisko said he'd be back, presumably during his wifes lifetime, and she won't be dead just yet. Just like Kirk just out of retirment, he'll be wanting his ship back.

posted on January 2nd, 2010, 3:44 pm

What about an Klingon - Cardassian Alliance avatar fresh from the mirror universe. Maybe the Hideki as second scout ( maybe with higher sensorrange ), Galor as destroyer ( stats somewhere around K'beajQ and K'Vort ) and Keldon as cruiser ( somewhere between Charg'H and Vor'cha ). I know Cardassians will be introduced as mercenaries but only in this universe I think the devs could find a nice story to explain the reasons for a invasion from the mirror universe ... if you and they like this idea

I actually like this idea, there no need to stick to a story line that makes perfect sense because there were so many holes in star trek anyway. This game should be no exception.

posted on January 2nd, 2010, 5:05 pm

I actually like this idea, there no need to stick to a story line that makes perfect sense because there were so many holes in star trek anyway. This game should be no exception.

The Devs have other plans and have already stated they do not like the idea of other universes/alternate realities being included in any gameplay affected ways.

I don't know who the next Klingon avatar will be, but the Kahless idea is quite nice. Right now we've got the honorable Martok and the less than clean TaQ'roja... but what I wonder is if the Devs have already chosen a third character. 

[Tyler]

posted on January 2nd, 2010, 5:12 pm

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A mirror universe invasion would work, but even without knowing about the Devs plans, something like that ignores the fact that the mirror universe has (for the most part) tried to prevent crossing over rather than promoting it. Aside from an occasional secret mission involving 2 or 3 people at most, they have tried to stop it along with 'removing' evidence that it has happened.

Aren't the third set of avatars going to be ones that are a little... different to the standard for their empire? Other focus on tech, methods and so on.

posted on January 2nd, 2010, 5:17 pm

Well, all avatars are going to get a complete redo to make each one of them more unique in terms of technology, tech tree, and units available to them: most will be from the Devs own timeline, but a few will be well known too