the maquis

posted on April 15th, 2012, 12:22 am

any chance of seeing the maquis ships in the future?
i think they would make great map event scenarios

i will add in this question,

can you make map owned objects patrol or guard things?

posted on April 15th, 2012, 12:52 am

20 years after the end of the Dominion war?

Either way, other than eye candy i think the Peregrine class - Memory Alpha, the Star Trek Wiki seems weak compared to run of the mill vessels.

At most their stats would be that of a buffed klingon scout, less than a Saber or Rhien.

As map object i wouldn't mind seeing a scout sized vessel with torpedoes but i don't think it'd have significant fighting value.

posted on April 15th, 2012, 2:30 am

Their stats would be a deadly 0 all-round, as would be expected of the dead.

posted on April 15th, 2012, 8:43 am

The typical Maquis ship type is none other than the Federation attack fighter launched by the Avalon class.

posted on April 15th, 2012, 11:03 am

The typical Maquis ship type is none other than the Federation attack fighter launched by the Avalon class.

correct.

the next most important maquis ship we saw was chakotay's raider type, which was much bigger and could work as a map object. i'm sure several of the model still exist in pirate/civilian hands.

posted on April 15th, 2012, 11:08 am

these 3 ships are (were) used by the maquis so its alittle variety.
but i was thinking they would be good map objects, not meant as buildable for any team.
just like these from the project progress page..

TOS Constitution (map object)
Aegian Class (map object)
Fully working Krenim Timeship (map object)
Cheyenne class (map object)
Kazon vessels (map object)
TMP Miranda Map Object
TMP Constitution Map Object
U.S.S. Incursion map object
Map Unit: T'Kon warship

tho i agree the shuttle (pic 1) would be nothing more than cannon fodder,
(pic 2) raider would have a bit of kick to it, it as torpedo launchers and other armaments.
(pic 3)is a bajoran ship with duel phasers that the maquis used.

thought they would be cool to add to my map of the milky way galaxy 

specials ideas would be sensor scramblers(make target have zero sensor range like purple/magenta nebula) and
targeting inhibitors for small amounts of time (making it go into grey mode like venture class will be able too but they can still fire weapons)

posted on April 15th, 2012, 11:25 am

top is already in game, the avalon launches it for the feds. it's really useless as anything other than a fighter.

middle i wouldn't mind.

bottom (bajoran interceptor): when did the maquis use it? i don't remember that.

also it has no warp drive, it's an impulse ship, it's not even as strong as the top one (fed fighter) which had warp. plus 2 of them made a right meal of chasing kira's sub impulse fighter in ds9, and that didn't even have impulse and was old and barely started up.

kira explicitly stated that the bajorans had no ship class that could hold a candle to a starfleet danube class runabout, so that bajoran interceptor would make a really bad maquis ship.

there's also this type:


which had warp, but was pathetic, it's bajoran, so would have to be much weaker than a runabout, so most times we see it, it's doing transport work.

[hellodean]

posted on April 15th, 2012, 11:34 am

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top is already in game, the avalon launches it for the feds. it's really useless as anything other than a fighter.

yeah i suppose it wouldnt be sensable to have it since its so weak.

bottom (bajoran interceptor): when did the maquis use it? i don't remember that.

i read it here
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there's also this type:


which had warp, but was pathetic, it's bajoran, so would have to be much weaker than a runabout, so most times we see it, it's doing transport work.

it would be nice to see that too if only to populate the maps with civilian ships as eye candy

posted on April 15th, 2012, 11:43 am

There already are civilian ships as eye candy. Remember those small shuttlecraft buzzing about in your base?

posted on April 15th, 2012, 11:50 am

There already are civilian ships as eye candy. Remember those small shuttlecraft buzzing about in your base?

indeed there are (great idea it was too) but i was thinking on a map scale rather than just bases 

posted on April 15th, 2012, 12:22 pm

i read it here
Redirect Notice

that's a source i've never heard of before, but lets look at what it claims:
used by the Maquis in protecting their colonial interests

but earlier it quite correctly said:
Bajoran interceptors (or Bajoran impulse ships) were sublight interceptors

each ship would be tied to one star system, the maquis didn't operate with many fixed resources, they moved around and raided. they would have no use for something that couldn't leave its star system because even if one of their bases came under attack, they'd just abandon it and move, not defend it.

any ship that was unable to run would easily be dealt with by cardies or feds.

[Tyler]

posted on April 15th, 2012, 12:44 pm

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It said it was used in TNG, back when the Maquis were protecting proper colonies in the DMZ.

They probably either stopped using them when the terrorism started or refitted them with Warp Drive. Both types of Bajoran sublight ship put out Federation Warp signatures, so it could go either way.

posted on April 15th, 2012, 1:50 pm

even when the maquis were just about civilian rebels protecting colonies, they couldn't stay in one place as the feds and cardies both wanted them stopped, they would have needed warp drive or cloaks. otherwise starfleet and cardies could send a joint fleet into any system they heard had a warpless fighter in, then just wait, either catching them in action, or scaring them into inaction.

[Tyler]

posted on April 15th, 2012, 2:00 pm

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The entire point of a colony is staying in one place, planets aren't exactly known for their mobility. Living in the Demilitarized Zone meant they were also in a place neither military could attack them without starting a war.

As I also said, they had warp signatures when they were shown used by the Maquis. Given that Warp drives work on ships that small, a refit is quite believable.

posted on April 15th, 2012, 2:07 pm

-_- the colony shouldn't move, but it's not a ship with guns.

the ship needs to move, because a colony can pretend not to be military (in essence it isn't military) but the ship with guns can't.

as i said, starfleet and the spoonheads could mount a joint operation, they've discussed that sort of thing before and said it would preserve the dmz/treaty. if they knew a ship was in a system and that ship couldn't leave the system, then it makes an easy target for a joint op.

i don't put a lot of stock in refitting a ship without warp, to add warp. gotta find space for a warp core, and presumably add something that functions like nacelles. maquis are usually ex starfleet, so they know about nacelles and such. and bussard collectors, and fuel storage. i don't buy it at all.