Tal'Shiar warpin

posted on May 19th, 2011, 5:32 pm

Here's a nice crazy idea, give the romulans a warpin:

We saw the Tal'Shiar operate some ships occasionally in a1 and trek (to a lesser degree). We also saw the military make a deal with the Tal'Shiar in a1, where sela bargained with them, gaining their help, but had to repay them later. That's what I'm suggesting. Not a distress call like for fed warpin, a deal with the Tal'Shiar, they help you out now, you help them later.

From Tal'Shiar Academy you can get a warpin of a powerful ship. maybe 1 D'Deridex or 1 Norexan (ranked probably, as the Tal'Shiar are sending valuable operatives). Alternatively you could get 1 Griffin and 2 Shrikes, or just 2 Griffins. Something along those lines.

It's free for now. They always warp in to your Tal'Shiar Academy, because they observe radio silence until they arrive, and aren't under your command yet.

Later on (a few minutes irl?), they take back the ship/s they lent you and demand 1 of your officer ranked ships for a "mission" which they wont tell you about, they keep this ship forever. You can pick any officer ranked ship to send back, they will presumably use a big ship for combat and a little ship for clandestine stuff. Maybe they also want resources if needed for balance. You can't warpin more until you give back this one first.

When the demand comes in, the Tal'Shiar Academy wont be able to do any research or call in anything else until you send the Tal'Shiar an officer ranked ship. All the buttons are grey, except for one, which is a new weapon, you use it to select your ranked ship, which immediately warps out. Now your Tal'Shiar works again. If you wait too long and annoy the Tal'Shiar by not sending a ship, they take more resources and you never can call upon them again, and your Tal'Shiar goes back to being research only.

If you are wasteful and let the Tal'Shiar's valuable ships die to Klingon Targs then they take resources instead, probably quite a bit of them too.

Would have 2 cooldowns. first between getting your ship and giving them a ship. then a second before you can make another deal. would be at 1.5 x the time of fed warpin.

posted on May 19th, 2011, 7:23 pm

With the current strengh of the romulans any form of warp would push the balance way off. Not a good idea.

posted on May 19th, 2011, 7:25 pm

at least he has given it some develemental thought, points for that, but yeah way off ballence

posted on May 19th, 2011, 7:32 pm

put a remen warpin.

posted on May 19th, 2011, 7:44 pm

Good concept, but I think a little too complicated. Also I think instead of warping in the ships should decloak

posted on May 19th, 2011, 8:13 pm

Good concept, but I think a little too complicated. Also I think instead of warping in the ships should decloak

yeah that does sound better they'd travel by warp, but would decloak when they got there. and you wouldnt see them travel by warp as they maintain radio silence.

about its complicated, the talshiar are complicated

i was trying to think of an original way of repaying the talshiar without it just being you pay the ship's build cost. i'd appreciate any ideas on ways to repay the talshiar.

about balance, that could be fine tuned by adding a longer cooldown and making it cost a bit more.

also right now, talshiar does very little, if u go talshiar, thats a good amount of money gone, and u still need research institute/upgrade facility for the more common build orders. talshiar currently gives you no ships early on. serkas and norexan are very expensive.

maybe an extra balancing force, require the talshiar facility to add an extension that allows more talshiar operatives to be based at your base, and thus grants you the ability to do a deal with the talshiar. that way even when talshiar is more common again in the future, you will still need to add an extension to get the talshiar help.

the way i imagined it, in the time sfc will pull you 2 warpins (6 ships) you would get 1 warbird. maybe 1 or 2 silver bars. maybe unranked if necessary.

posted on May 19th, 2011, 10:19 pm

To not make the Romulans overpowered  All costs involved  need to be high. So Just a thought  to repay the  Tal'shiar, they get  All opponent's captured ship that was gained from  any battle their  assistance was in . If it is a opponent constructor captured,  one ship  of the ships responding is yours to keep. If  no ship is captured the Tal "Shiar  costs are  5,000 Dia. 10000 Tri  and 1000 points for their  assistance , along with 3 of you  upper tier ranked ships  or 1 veteran ship. Doing it that way you  have to be asssured the  good  outcome . Not doing so  you cripple your  playing  ability  to pay for the assistance you recived.

posted on May 19th, 2011, 10:23 pm

To be honest, going tal shiar seems cost enough
Could just ramp up either the cost or tech tree position of the TSA and not make the ability too expensive.

posted on May 19th, 2011, 10:23 pm

To not make the Romulans overpowered  All costs involved  need to be high. So Just a thought  to repay the  Tal'shiar, they get  All opponent's captured ship that was gained from  any battle their  assistance was in . If it is a opponent constructor captured,  one ship  of the ships responding is yours to keep. If  no ship is captured the Tal "Shiar  costs are   5,000 Dia. 10000 Tri  and 1000 points for their  assistance , along with 3 of you   upper tier ranked ships  or 1 veteran ship. Doing it that way you  have to be asssured the  good  outcome . Not doing so  you cripple your  playing  ability  to pay for the assistance you recived.

whoa dont you think thats a little extreme? it turns it into win and get to keep 1 ship, or lose and all your money and your 3 best ships go away. nobody in an online game should even have 5000/10000 stored up.

i find the idea of capturing ships to give to them interesting. but i dont think the talshiar want constructors and miners (any blueprints stored would be wiped when getting boarded). but maybe the talshiar would want combat ships as they could disassemble them for tech secrets. even though its interesting, the romulans arent really a capturing race (thats borg klink and dom).

posted on May 19th, 2011, 10:26 pm

i was trying to think of an original way of repaying the talshiar without it just being you pay the ship's build cost. i'd appreciate any ideas on ways to repay the talshiar.

They'd get paid by the experience their crews gained. How about instead of a one-time resource cost, the tal shiar ships would cause a small but constant resource drain.

posted on May 19th, 2011, 10:36 pm

They'd get paid by the experience their crews gained. How about instead of a one-time resource cost, the tal shiar ships would cause a small but constant resource drain.

interesting, you become a permanent "ally" of the talshiar.

posted on May 19th, 2011, 11:45 pm

I really like the idea of making a deal with the devil... Tal'shiar. Have one ranked warbird decloak right out of thin air behind an enemy fleet in the middle of a battle would be awesome. The long term resource drain sounds like a real cool idea. Short term gain versus long term disadvantage. Could be difficult to balance for early game though...

posted on May 19th, 2011, 11:57 pm

I really like the idea of making a deal with the devil... Tal'shiar. Have one ranked warbird decloak right out of thin air behind an enemy fleet in the middle of a battle would be awesome. The long term resource drain sounds like a real cool idea. Short term gain versus long term disadvantage. Could be difficult to balance for early game though...

As i understand the Tal Shiar reinforcements would be called in from the Intel Center which removes the early game question. It would be available mid-game at the earliest.

posted on May 19th, 2011, 11:58 pm

Here's a nice crazy idea, give the romulans a warpin:

We saw the Tal'Shiar operate some ships occasionally in a1 and trek (to a lesser degree). We also saw the military make a deal with the Tal'Shiar in a1, where sela bargained with them, gaining their help, but had to repay them later. That's what I'm suggesting. Not a distress call like for fed warpin, a deal with the Tal'Shiar, they help you out now, you help them later.

From Tal'Shiar Academy you can get a warpin of a powerful ship. maybe 1 D'Deridex or 1 Norexan (ranked probably, as the Tal'Shiar are sending valuable operatives). Alternatively you could get 1 Griffin and 2 Shrikes, or just 2 Griffins. Something along those lines.

It's free for now. They always warp in to your Tal'Shiar Academy, because they observe radio silence until they arrive, and aren't under your command yet.

Later on (a few minutes irl?), they take back the ship/s they lent you and demand 1 of your officer ranked ships for a "mission" which they wont tell you about, they keep this ship forever. You can pick any officer ranked ship to send back, they will presumably use a big ship for combat and a little ship for clandestine stuff. Maybe they also want resources if needed for balance. You can't warpin more until you give back this one first.

When the demand comes in, the Tal'Shiar Academy wont be able to do any research or call in anything else until you send the Tal'Shiar an officer ranked ship. All the buttons are grey, except for one, which is a new weapon, you use it to select your ranked ship, which immediately warps out. Now your Tal'Shiar works again. If you wait too long and annoy the Tal'Shiar by not sending a ship, they take more resources and you never can call upon them again, and your Tal'Shiar goes back to being research only.

If you are wasteful and let the Tal'Shiar's valuable ships die to Klingon Targs then they take resources instead, probably quite a bit of them too.

Would have 2 cooldowns. first between getting your ship and giving them a ship. then a second before you can make another deal. would be at 1.5 x the time of fed warpin.

You're right!





...That is a crazy idea.

posted on May 20th, 2011, 9:58 am

As i understand the Tal Shiar reinforcements would be called in from the Intel Center which removes the early game question. It would be available mid-game at the earliest.

actually i said Tal'Shiar Academy, because that currently has little use (and it has Tal'Shiar in the name )

then i realised that when the Tal'Shiar Academy gets its usefullness back, this warpin will be easily accessible in common build orders. so i suggested having an extension on the academy which costs money and allows you to house more Tal'Shiar dudes, hence gaining enough contacts with them to make deals.