Spam

posted on March 21st, 2010, 6:20 pm

damn it, i would love to join the fight but unfortunately i havent played c&c much

on topic. i believe that passives are a good way to go vs the spam

posted on March 21st, 2010, 6:23 pm

Hehe, CnC and RA1 were fun - spammy, but fun. Common, don't you know your 'first' RTSs 

With the right adjustment the passives should be able to control spam much more as they are harder counters than simple pulse/torp/beam categories combined with size ranges. For instance, A-26 Bombers will eat Leahvals alive, so use Rhienns against Bombers, and Leahvals against Bugs, and Bugs against.... you get the picture!

posted on March 21st, 2010, 6:26 pm

first rts was dune 2 man, everybody knows that
i only did compstomps during c&c/ra days

posted on March 21st, 2010, 6:28 pm

It will be definitely interesting to see how the passives do.  I'm hoping that the Dominion's new cruiser will help them, as right now you have to spam about 16 bugs before you get the economy to move upward.  Unless you spam breen cruisers or tech up to B5s, which is pretty lame.   I like bugs, but I don't want those nasty K'vorts to eat them before I can get my S-2s up!

[Myles]

posted on March 21st, 2010, 6:29 pm

Last edited by Myles on March 21st, 2010, 6:31 pm, edited 1 time in total.

thats nearly as old as me  :lol:

EDIT: this is earlier Stonkers - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

posted on March 21st, 2010, 6:33 pm

It will be definitely interesting to see how the passives do.  I'm hoping that the Dominion's new cruiser will help them, as right now you have to spam about 16 bugs before you get the economy to move upward.  Unless you spam breen cruisers or tech up to B5s, which is pretty lame.   I like bugs, but I don't want those nasty K'vorts to eat them before I can get my S-2s up!

  Word.

  Poor Dommies don't really have much in the way of a core ship beyond Bugs.  Sadly bugs just are mowed down by the uber-sexy kvorts .

posted on March 21st, 2010, 6:36 pm

from wikipedia:

While not the first real-time strategy (RTS) game (Stonkers, The Ancient Art of War and Herzog Zwei all preceded it), Dune II established a format that would be followed for years to come, and was the first to use the mouse to move units, allowing players to fluidly interact with their troops.[1] As such, Dune II was the first modern real-time strategy game.

posted on March 21st, 2010, 6:39 pm

first rts was dune 2 man, everybody knows that

your own quote last post contradicts that , you said it was the first, wikipedia says its not. its was big and important, but not first.

posted on March 21st, 2010, 6:43 pm

I agree i dont like the ships cap, however dom i disagree with you, you should not balance to fix it

you can not balance the ships to fix spam

if you take a ship that is spammed and is very powerful and balance it so that it is less powerful then you must make another ship of that race more powerful, "Every action has a reaction equal in magnitude and opposite in direction" (Issac Newton) so, therfore you would have to give another weaker ship more powerful,

it also goes with those who complain about units that are two strong now some of this really are(old norway as some said)

so if you just take away the power from a ship that is powerful for that race then that race is weaker because it had no ship gain power,

if you do follow newtons 3rd law, and make another ship on that race powerful, then all you are doing is equalizing the race, and if you do this to others then every race is the same, they all will be equal and them game wouldnt be fun

Diagram"

Ship #1 = 7
                       people complain that 7 is to powerful
Ship #2 = 3

so the devs do this

Ship #1:  7-2 =5

Ship #2:  7-2 =5

both ships now have the same stregth and such

so in conclusion, i do not belive that you can balance ships that are deamed two powerful or spammed to much

So therefore the only option i see, which is an option i do not like, would be to cap ships

As i stated i do not like capped ships, however in the game this is implemented for the avalon and phalanx, my question is why only for avalon and phalanx?

So just to restate, i think the only way (there could be somthing else) would be to cap ships, so therefore though i dont like it, maybye we need to think about creative ideas for caps: here are mine

Since as boggz stated this is fleet ops not base ops, then maybye have caps that are affected by ships, this would encourage players to build there fleets up instead of spam,

For example, and note that im not saying these paticular ships: you cant build more then 5 sabers before you build a intrepid and then you cant build more then 8 intrepids before a akira, and so on and so on

and it could work with all races besides borg,

maybye even make it no more then 8 intrepids before 3 akiras, because what your doing is making sure they mix there fleet up without imposing a solid cap on them

well thats my idea, thanks for those very few who actually read it

posted on March 21st, 2010, 6:48 pm

I'll answer that in three words: Will Not Happen.

It's the worst possible "solution" to an RTS: basically forces you to play in one specific strategy and wrecks any chance at creativity.

Incidentally, the reason why special ships are capped in Fleet Ops has been explained before

Command & Conquer, abbreviated to C&C  and also known as "Tiberian Dawn",[3][4][5]  is a 1995 real-time strategy computer game developed by Westwood Studios for MS-DOS and published by Virgin Interactive. It was the first of twelve games to date to be released under the Command & Conquer  label, including a prequel and five sequels. On August 31, 2007, current publisher and owner of the C&C franchise Electronic Arts made Command & Conquer (Windows95/Gold version) freely available for download from their official website, to mark the franchise's 12th anniversary.

Set in an alternate history 1995, Command & Conquer tells the story of two globalized factions: the Global Defense Initiative of the United Nations, and the ancient quasi-cult, quasi-state organization, the Brotherhood of Nod. The factions become locked in a mortal struggle for control over a mysterious resource known as Tiberium that is slowly spreading and infecting the world.

Met with acclaim by consumers and critics, Command & Conquer was released for seven separate platforms along with becoming the initiator of the Command & Conquer franchise, and today generally is considered as the title which originally defined and popularized the modern real-time strategy genre.

As you can see, lots of pages in Wikipedia contradict each other unfortunately. 

posted on March 21st, 2010, 6:49 pm

your own quote last post contradicts that , you said it was the first, wikipedia says its not. its was big and important, but not first.

i was wrong i know, wiki quote just make me feel better . i could argue that dune 2 was first to include stuff that made it the first what-i-consider-rts but i dont believe it myself
"Dune II was the first modern real-time strategy game" <- word 'first' happens to be here

posted on March 21st, 2010, 6:54 pm

CnC was also the first (was it really?) to have multiplayer Woot two CD's in one package! 

posted on March 21st, 2010, 6:54 pm

says modern rts, not first rts. it introduced a lot of important stuff, the older rtss were probably crap, hell dune ii was probably crap compared to fleetops, but its still not first

posted on March 21st, 2010, 6:55 pm

Dune II was actually pretty fun 

posted on March 21st, 2010, 7:24 pm

guys get back on topic,

@ dominus, then what do you think we should od about the spam proble, if you even think its a problem