Section 31

posted on March 13th, 2009, 5:14 pm

so i was thinking, for feds itd be cool to have a section 31

wouldnt this be cool

@fleet ops team, or do you have somthing else planned?

posted on March 13th, 2009, 6:47 pm

I read somewhere they have a Starfleet Intelligence Avatar planned.

If there was a Section 31 avatar it would make sense if they didn't have access to any modern designs such as the defiant, Intrepid or Sovereign simply because those designs attract attention.

Heavily upgraded versions of older designs or perhaps even stolen foreign designs would be more likely.

Section 31: Upgraded Centaur class, Miranda class, Saber class, peregrine class, runabouts, Bird of prey, perhaps some Cardassian designs.

posted on March 13th, 2009, 7:14 pm

hmm, well heres my thoughts

itd be cool to have a 3rd avatar like that, however, they just also need another special station, however as this is about section 31 ill post thgat special station idea in another post

my ideas for section 31 are this (avatar or just normal station)

cloaking ships, feds did also invent this tech in tng

black covert defiant


well actually now that i think about it, an avatar for 31 could be completely about covert, the ability to infiltrate and take over ships, turn ships or stations on themselves, destruct stations, so that its more about weakening the enemy to the point, where you can finally take your small fleet in to destryoy them,

posted on March 13th, 2009, 7:17 pm

no cloaking fed ships. somehow feds and cloaking do not go together. maybe it's just my inhibition.

but i prefer seeing green ships cloak. Orange ones cloak. but no goody goody silver ones - regardless of whether section 31 is not goody.

rest of the ideas sound good 

posted on March 14th, 2009, 2:28 am

well i take the cloak from the pegasus episode from tng, where the ship could cloak and go through other ships and stuff

but i think section 31 would add an awsome element to feds, cus they need somthing else

posted on March 14th, 2009, 2:40 am

That episode was nice, but what they did was a gross violation of federation law and the treaty of algeron with the romulans. It could have led to another war.

I have to say i don´t like the idea of cloaking fed ships either, it´s just not their style.
Section 31 would maybe use cloaking tech, but i guess they are not as powerful and big, as some people seem to think.

They wouldn´t (or better simply couldn´t) build whole star bases full of "secret agents", let alone fleets. What for anyway ? They´re not about going to war, but about secret dealings in the dark.

And one other thing, starfleet intelligence avatar doesn´t mean section 31 avatar. Thank God, both are NOT the same.

[ray320]

posted on March 14th, 2009, 9:27 pm

Last edited by ray320 on March 14th, 2009, 9:31 pm, edited 1 time in total.

yes i understand it coulda led to war, thats why they were sneaky about it

section 31 can be as big and powerful as we want, nobody knos to much, but i think they have enough to get the job done

they wouldnt build starbases, they could but whats the point, you have agents in all starbases, but they would most likely have a small outpost for themselves,

yes thats the point, secret dealigs, sabotage, getting enemy tech

and i know they arent or maybye the are the same

i think the feds need some more flavour, a side we havent seen of them

and also, i think you misunderstand me, now if were talking about the base in fleet ops, as in the relationship to the avatar, the whole base wouldnt be section 31, but it would be run by a section 31,
operative, not all the personall would be section 31

so basically this, for ship building you would have the main ships(but reduced)

so for the begining ship yard, akira, and moonson, and one support

for the advanced, excelsior, remore, and sovy(or defiant)

they would cost a little but more,

and then the rest would be specialy outfitted, such as cloaking defiant, stelth mode intrepid, just special secret ships, that have special abilities in disableing, and taking over other ships

a section 31 warp in, for secret experimental ships

and a section 31 control, where you haad other special abilities

so basically you would use section 31 special ships to harras the enemy and weaken them internaly and such, and then make up a small fleet of normal ships, (maybye a few special) to try to take them out, so you have to use strategy, but if you do it right, it works well

posted on March 19th, 2009, 8:05 am

A starfleet intelligence avatar then, but with a small helping of section 31 "super-covert" stuff? Having a third avatar for every race that's play differed from that races usual style would be really good.... Say, a ful-on soldier-general for the romulans who uses cloaking units LESS. Or a more defensive or tactical Klingon captain. Or a cardassian blending founder (my ideas are getting worse...). How about a (rogue?) group of Borg who... didn't use assimilation? Had some other federation something-or-other? Locutus?

Meh, I still think the first two were good!

posted on March 19th, 2009, 7:36 pm

Hmmmm, Rogue Factions sounds nice, let´s see what all the different races have to offer:

Federation: Okay, it´s obvious, Section 31

Romulan: Sela and/or Remans

Klingon: The good old House of Duras (i´m not sure if someone from that house is left, Lursa and B´tor are dead, but i´m not sure about the son of Duras, what was his name ? Toral or so...)

Dominion: I´m not sure about that one, but something to bring back Cardassians in some capacity would be nice

Borg: Actually the idea of rogue borg is very appealing to me (not really a collective but with more tactical finesse than assimilate everything)

posted on March 19th, 2009, 7:47 pm

yeah, a 3rd faction of a rogue faction would be nice.
these factions could be more of the opposites to the current main avatars

for example the feds - section 31 is vile and conniving - the exemplification of Inter arma enim silent leges.
                        klings - Duras' house led by a now older Toral. dishonorable to the core.
                       
                        Roms - Reman/romulan dissident alliance - this one is again the opposite of the romulans in that rommies and remans allying - an unheard of and abhorrent act by Romulan standards.
Headed by sela - a human/romulan half-breed herself; rejected and a failure after the debacle in Unification (1 and 2).

                        Dominion/Card dissident remnant - no founders here. just rogue jem'hadar and vorta along with dissident cardassian militia. Not part of the Dominion but still using their ships and part of that side's tree.

                        Borg - Here we can have the 3rd faction we were mentioning about them. Forgotten what we were going to call it.


A 3rd avatar - as a Rogue - would be nice to get some of the requests which would otherwise be rejected by standard storyline constraints.

posted on March 20th, 2009, 1:08 am

Toral is dead, he died in A1 (and almost certainly in one of the DS9 episiodes).

posted on March 20th, 2009, 2:28 am

what does that mean - he died in A1. did u actually see his ship go boom with him in it?
and what almost certainly in DS9.
If u stick by DS9 as a death he couldnt even be in A1.

So DS9 is irrelevant here.

A1 no one sees him go boom. all that is mentioned is that his fleet is obliterated.

Plus toral was merely an idea. if you have any suggestions please feel free to share.

posted on March 20th, 2009, 2:47 am

Toral escaped in A1. As for DS9 I have no idea.

posted on March 20th, 2009, 5:43 am

As far as i remember ds9, Toral never even showed up or was mentioned. 

posted on March 20th, 2009, 10:02 pm

he showed up int eh Sword of Khless episode where Worf and kor reach the Hurq homeworld.
toral was the one who ambushed them. he didnt die in that episode nor in A1.