Replacing Decent Class

posted on April 19th, 2006, 10:40 pm

leave it alone!

[nine]

posted on April 25th, 2006, 1:14 am

Last edited by nine on April 25th, 2006, 1:15 am, edited 1 time in total.

not to push the refit issue too far
but what about an option to add another nacelle + phaser like the Enterprise from "All Good Things..." alternate timeline?

posted on April 25th, 2006, 7:53 am

well i don't like the whole tri nacell configuartion, just looks misplaced. the phaser vannon is cool though, but not really federation like

posted on April 25th, 2006, 9:53 am

it would be cool to have an warp in galaxy class refittable (like those romulan fighters)

i would like to see a new Fed Battleship ... kind alike a Galaxy 2 , i think they look far more cool in battles than those sovereign class ships ...
on armada2files there was some kind of Galaxy 3 ship ...
and if not ... make one ..

posted on April 25th, 2006, 5:12 pm

well doesn't that new fed battleship have a massive phaser cannon on it?

about the Galaxy-X, not a fan of it. but i would approve of a dominion war refit Galaxy (i think ghost's comp mod has a good one in it).

posted on April 26th, 2006, 7:34 am

i find the whole galaxy ship a wierd design. sure it has a great design but it is oen of the most ineffecient ships i've seen. it's is a high cost production ship, not very efficient in my eyes.. most of it decks is used for relatives and other family members of the crew... if you just craped that part of you could have use that space for propper weapons, shielding, research facilities or make a BIG trooptransport or carrier out of it.

posted on April 26th, 2006, 8:10 am

No that 3 nacell config sux, its just a kitbash, I dont know how would that be different from the current descent "kitbash".


I still say: keep it as it is OR make a whole new model, let the FO team make up one - they are good at it

posted on April 26th, 2006, 12:54 pm

Personally I dont think any replacement has to be a huge battleship, a smaller ship with some fancy special abilities would be just as good and perhaps reflect the scientific and exploration part of the feds.

However I am intreged about the refit idea what about getting rid of the descent and having 3 different nebula pods which fuse with the standard nebula class, one being the sensor pod with tachyon detection grids and vastly increased sensor range aswell as perhaps a sensor jammer special weapon. Another being a weapon pod that was equiped with 2 phasers and a quantom torpedo launcher and how about the third being a defence pod with a Point defence phaser weapon, increased sheilds for the nebula and perhaps a shield resore special weapon.

posted on April 26th, 2006, 2:38 pm

that .... sounds cool to me ... a great idea ...

posted on April 26th, 2006, 4:09 pm

Im not so sure, the whole idea behind the descent is that it delivers the firepower that the feds sometimes lack. They already have an array of cool special weapons, which usually give a bonus to your whole fleet.

So IMO it should stay a big bad battleship

posted on April 26th, 2006, 6:42 pm

I really like the Nebula refit idea, though I would contend that movement speed also be a factor in this refit. As in the defense version should be slow and heavy, the attack version should be faster to keep it at the front of the rest of the fleet.

I think my problem with a genuine Fed Battleship is that it makes limited sense to my concept of Federation tactics and strategic theater of operations. Fed ships cost a lot to build, and they have a lot of ground to cover. The Galaxy class was a huge commitment of resources, and so every larger iteration afterwards of Fed heavy cruisers, battle cruisers, etc.. gets progressively more expensive.

to a point this is fine
but ultimately the Feds are about out-thinking their enemies
so to build a Battleship would cause more issues than it would solve
Supplying, refitting, and post-war roles are always keen in the Fed's heads... in my opinion. Both the Galaxy and the Nebula were built with lots of swing space, able to be adapted to a specific role... usually this is filled with science equipment.. but this being Fleet Ops we can assume this space would be used for wartime stuff.

The Feds face plenty of enemies with BIG ships, both in and out of Fleet Ops. The Borg, The Romulans, and The Dominion love their big ships. They are also especially warlike, either due to constant conquest or because of warlike neighbors. As in; the Roms can afford to have Warbirds as the primary backbone of their fleet because they don't go anywhere. The Borg consumes huge parts of space and needs to keep doing so to support and infrastructure based almost exclusively on Cubes.

If
the Klingons became as dependent on the Negh Var as say the Romulans are of Warbirds they would go broke, their fleet would be easily shattered, and they would be killed off. If the Dominion didn't have a strong mid-cruiser line they wouldn't have a prayer invading the Alpha quadrant.
I think
like the Klingons the Feds are going to want to reuse & refit as much as they can. And once in a great while they'll come out with something really special, like the Galaxy Class, and then the Sov class... building a large well rounded super-cruiser.

I say,
go with the Nebula pods..
AND give the Sov the ability to get long range phasers
throw those 2 in with some Excelsiors and it will give you fire power that no single line of Battleships can contend with.

posted on April 26th, 2006, 7:19 pm

as far as the nebula refit goes i like the idea of it. but i think the armaments should be modular in design, so you can equip it with a sensor package then remove it, then add a quantum torpedo package, and remove that and put in the defensive package and so on and so fourth. The reason I liked the canon nebulas best of all was because of that flexibility. If you need a scanning vessel at first, then you find you need more firepower you can improvise. But just one thing, I think to refit the equipment packages you should have to dock with a station or something, because you can’t do it in space.

posted on April 26th, 2006, 7:49 pm

Well the thing is, a nebula with or without pods is nowhere as strong as a Galaxy type battleship so it cannot really be such help in big battleship engagements.

I agree it should be upgradable, its a good idea but it shouldnt replace the descent class. I still say make a new descent model or maybe make the sovie and galaxy stronger as I think they should be, only a few were made and they are the top model of the federation but they should also be A LOT more expensive I mean they are known to be very costly.

posted on April 27th, 2006, 9:55 pm

a nebula with the weapons pod has far more torpedo firepower than a galaxy, and since it uses the same type of phasers (if not the same number of arrays, diference cant be that big though). the nebula with the weapons pod has a bit more overall firepower than a galaxy, just less shield power, and a slightly weaker structural integrity (hull points).

posted on April 27th, 2006, 10:05 pm

So 1 on 1 it loses, I just want a big battleship for feds that is actually quite a bit stronger than a galaxy :S