Reduce Defiant build time to a more reasonable number.

posted on June 18th, 2010, 3:38 pm

The Defiant takes 133 seconds to build currently. That's a full 18 seconds longer than a Sovereign. Of non-mixed-tech vessels, only the Tavara, Phalanx, and Dodecahedron take longer to build  :o. This is especially bad since the Defiant's main purpose is in fighting small vessels, many of which can almost be built twice in the same time as the Defiant.

I request a reduction in the build time, maybe to 112 or 120 seconds.

Also I think the resource usage is a bit off compared to the Sovereign, being that it costs the same supply (which is really weird since it has a lot less space and crew) and about the same dilithium (which actually does make sense) and tritanium (again it's a lot smaller than the Sovereign, where is all that tritanium going?)

Maybe a small tri and supply cost reduction, tho that's less important to me than the build time issue (build time affects battles more due to numbers of ships.)

posted on June 18th, 2010, 3:44 pm

Resources are just game balance and the Defiant is a battleship, so it makes sense from an ingame perspective. Not like the canon Defiant was ever very big on numbers, even after going into proper production; only 5 have been seen during 2 series.

Still, a small cut to the time shouldn't hurt too much.

posted on June 18th, 2010, 3:48 pm

Still, a small cut to the time shouldn't hurt too much.

On the contrary, that would be BAAAAAD . The Defiant has two passives - one reducing damage taken from shorts by 27%, the other increasing damage dealt to longs by 40%. That's nasty  >:D . Along with its special, speed, and firepower/defense, it is one deadly ship. It already is one of the most effective ships in Fleet Ops - no need to make it even more powerful. 

posted on June 18th, 2010, 3:57 pm

Maybe the Dilithium cost could be increased further to make up for the build time decrease?
Also, we saw a prototype of it used in the series, maybe if the Defiant required a prototype, like Dominion ships, to be built. Probably would take away a little from the uniqueness of the Dominion, but would make the Defiant harder to get initially.
Want this tough little ship? Invest a lot into getting it.

posted on June 18th, 2010, 4:00 pm

Having a higher dil cost would make canon sense as well since the Defiant had a warp drive that would have easily powered a much larger ship...

posted on June 18th, 2010, 4:46 pm

result of this was that the defiant was limited to warp 9.5.
maybe cost increase in trade for time, would make sense. The Sovreign should be a end of the line ship, not the defiant and so the sovreign should take longer to build, at least in my sight.

posted on June 18th, 2010, 5:24 pm

Part of it is that it's just such a tough ship to kill.

  Another reason is that, if you've ever seen it, massed Defiants murders almost everything.  Doesn't matter if the pulses do less damage because the little suckers just mob everything.

  I agree that they take a long time, but if you're so incensed on making other things then set up another Eraudi .

posted on June 18th, 2010, 5:56 pm

i always build a defiant before sovvie, as the defiant is just amazing. i mean its special weapon alone almost completely justifies its construction.

and when it ranks up its a complete beast.

i love the romulan mixed tech defiant with cloak its a shame it takes so long to make them lol. but once you get them they eat miners and shrug off turret fire.

as much as i love them, i dont really wanna see them get much better or easier to get, as then i would just be tempted to try defiant spam.

posted on June 18th, 2010, 9:42 pm

Critical.  Shot.

Defiants are game-changers against any foe, not just early-game ships.  Plus, each Defiant can use the ability three times in a row without needing more energy.  Even one defiant can neutralize three dreadnoughts long enough for the rest of your fleet to murder them.

posted on June 18th, 2010, 9:45 pm

Plus Risner's defiant does all kinds of extra damage and has all that extra energy.

posted on June 18th, 2010, 10:04 pm

Plus Risner's defiant does all kinds of extra damage and has all that extra energy.

  Yeah dude if Rizzie manages to put out too many Defiants you are gonna be HARD pressed to stop her.

posted on June 18th, 2010, 10:10 pm

Rizzie

Hm, i think the Defiant is alright at the moment. But let's see what the faction redos will bring us

posted on June 18th, 2010, 10:15 pm

Optec, guess how Risner will be pronounced in my replays from now on!

posted on June 18th, 2010, 10:18 pm

Rizzie

Hm, i think the Defiant is alright at the moment. But let's see what the faction redos will bring us

Hopefully not anything that makes it even more of a wtfp0wn unit 

posted on June 19th, 2010, 10:20 am

i think it is ok now, it is extremely powerful, but takes so long to make, that if your enemy lets you build them unchallenged they deserve the death that they receive. i love the defiant, please dont nerf it, but dont make it better either.