Oberth II Class

posted on June 15th, 2010, 7:58 pm

That's probably why this Oberth MK2 is a warship, not a science ship.

Which makes no sense if you consider the ship that it's based on. Also the feds ingame have enough different ships, the modding section would be more appropriate and grateful for an Oberth-II. 

posted on June 15th, 2010, 8:02 pm

The Mk2 designs are only a homage to the originals, the purpose doesn't need to be the same.

If the Mk2 was similar in purpose as well as the basic appearance, then the Miranda-II would be a light destroyer/partol ship instead of a cruiser.

posted on June 15th, 2010, 8:14 pm

The Mk2 designs are only a homage to the originals, the purpose doesn't need to be the same.

The Excelsior-II is pretty much what the original Excelsior was when it was new except for the size since there are bigger ships available now. Except for that it's a well armed and modern tank.

The Miranda-II still relies on the heavy cannons on the upper bow (made perfectly clear by the special). And the original Miranda when it was new was considered to be a light cruiser as well. So the cruiser/destroyer-question doesn't apply here since they became destroyers later because their technical possibilities were not going further anymore due to the limit of refitting.

posted on June 15th, 2010, 8:19 pm

Original Miranda: Defensive Light Cruiser (TMP)

Miranda II: Blockade Runner/Strike Cruiser (FO Era)

Excelsior: Defensive Heavy Cruiser (TMP)
Excelsior B: Experimental Heavy Cruiser (Post-TMP)
Excelsior II: Long Range Defense Cruiser (FO Era)

posted on June 15th, 2010, 8:23 pm

The Excelsior-II is pretty much what the original Excelsior was when it was new except for the size since there are bigger ships available now. Except for that it's a well armed and modern tank.

The Miranda-II still relies on the heavy cannons on the upper bow (made perfectly clear by the special). And the original Miranda when it was new was considered to be a light cruiser as well. So the cruiser/destroyer-question doesn't apply here since they became destroyers later because their technical possibilities were not going further anymore due to the limit of refitting.

They may be similar to what people speculate they were used for (Excelsior/Enterprise-B was only seen in dock, pre-launch or during tests - Miranda was only seen in WoK, TNG and DS9. Canon is very lacking on them), but that doesn't change the fact that they are not Miranda or Excelsior Class.

They are only connected in appearance, which the devs already said is only a homage to the originals.

posted on June 15th, 2010, 8:26 pm

Original Miranda: Defensive Light Cruiser (TMP)

Miranda II: Blockade Runner/Strike Cruiser (FO Era)

Excelsior: Defensive Heavy Cruiser (TMP)
Excelsior B: Experimental Heavy Cruiser (Post-TMP)
Excelsior II: Long Range Defense Cruiser (FO Era)

So the Miranda and Miranda II both are cruisers and the Excelsior and Excelsior II both were heavy cruisers.

I just don't know where you got "experimental" and "defensive" from. The blockade-running abilities/manouvers were also seen to be at least tried by several Mirandas in DS9 (like in Sacrifice of Angels).

The only "experimental"  one of those was ONLY the prototype of the original Excelsior (Transwarp). And that one only applied in ST III

posted on June 15th, 2010, 8:26 pm

The Excelsior-II is pretty much what the original Excelsior was when it was new except for the size since there are bigger ships available now. Except for that it's a well armed and modern tank.

the original excel was the top of the line battleship, so massive it made kirk comment on how big it was. the excelsior was large and had the latest tech.

the e2 is not. its a heavy cruiser.

the latest tech is in the descent most likely.

posted on June 15th, 2010, 8:29 pm

the e2 is not. its a heavy cruiser

...but also with latest tech. Quantum - torpedoes for example. Forget size when it comes to technology. The Sovereign is still the chassis-3 top-warship of feds, and the Excelsior-II is the small sister o.O so I guess it is at least on a very similar tech-level.

posted on June 15th, 2010, 8:33 pm

It likely would have similar tech to a Sovereign, but a cruiser isn't a battleship. If the TMP Excelsior had a FO counterpart, it would be the Sovereign.

posted on June 15th, 2010, 8:34 pm

i said its not what the original excel was (which is what u said)

the original excel is what the sovvie/descent is now, top of the line battleship, the latest biggest guns.

the e2 is not that, its not designed to do what the old excel did.

EDIT: ninjad by tyler

posted on June 15th, 2010, 8:35 pm

It likely would have similar tech to a Sovereign, but a cruiser isn't a battleship. If the TMP Excelsior had a FO counterpart, it would be the Sovereign.

Was this discussion about counterparts or about Successor-classes?

posted on June 15th, 2010, 8:44 pm

Sounds like counterparts, considering that your posts claim Mk2's have the same role as the originals and we say they don't.