New Rom Intel Center Idea

posted on May 23rd, 2010, 8:41 pm

it depends, a spy would presumably be careful. if they only accessed the sensors, and i mean just viewed them and didnt interfere with operation the borg might not conisder that a threat.

its quite possible that the romulans found a way to go undetected without serious scrutiny (such as the player looking at the display ) the hansens did it and they were a couple of civilians without the support of an empire.

the hansens used bio-dampeners, i doubt the romulans are aware of such devices the same with starfleet, until the voyager salvaged the logs and its schematics, the doctor also says that it has to be race specific needs to the adaptor and when magnus was watching a drone being deactivated, his dampener had only got a limited battery life.

posted on May 23rd, 2010, 8:57 pm

indeed, but if two civilians could invent this device, why not thousands of romulan scientists?

or personal cloaks maybe. or just didnt piss off the borg.

posted on May 23rd, 2010, 8:59 pm

indeed, but if two civilians could invent this device, why not thousands of romulan scientists?

or personal cloaks maybe. or just didnt piss off the borg.

the borg adapted to it, and because romulans have already been assimilated by the borg, cloaking wont work because of the knowledge obtained from these former romulan soldiers.

[Tyler]

posted on May 23rd, 2010, 9:04 pm

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They probably could design something similar, but the idea simply might not occur to them, even with numbers you can't think of everything.

I wouldn't be surprised if they sat there cloaked and tried to hack from a distance.

the borg adapted to it, and because romulans have already been assimilated by the borg, cloaking wont work because of the knowledge obtained from these former romulan soldiers.

That could hurt the dampeners, but the Romulans wouldn't actually know they adapted or if the adaption would work on their version. A device may do the same thing, but two types of tech that likely work in a different way may not be effected by adapting to one version.

Cloak still works; it's constantly countered by new discoveries and they just adjust it to stay ahead.

posted on May 23rd, 2010, 9:05 pm

they could have invented something new, the romulans are clever. lots of scientists.

posted on May 23rd, 2010, 9:16 pm

meanwhile when you guys/girls have come up with an idea that wont require a scientist to be captured and an adaption to be made, we will see, but i dont see any way a borg ship could be taken down from inside by anyone. the borg have to be purfection, there is no other explaination. if you excuse the bad pun

posted on May 23rd, 2010, 9:53 pm

Notice how the Hansens were assimilated immediately after the Borg noticed the Hansens knew how to hide from the Borg? When you try something clever on the Borg, one of two things happen.

a). They assimilated someone or something that had information on how it works, so they've already adapted and your ultimate possibly self-destructive Deflector gun is useless (TNG: "Best of Both Worlds.")

b). It works, but the moment they find about it they either assimilate it or study it well enough that they can adapt to it, never works again (unless your name is Kathryn Janeway, in which case the Borg were never more than a nuisance.) So you beamed over to the Borg Cube and almost got your captain back? Good luck doing that when they have an EM field to stop you (BoBW again.)

The scary things about the Borg aren't just that they make you into them, or that they have superpowered ships and infantry; they can also easily and quickly take your own technology and integrate into theirs while making it nearly completely useless against them.

posted on May 24th, 2010, 5:09 am

Hey come on now this thread is 2 pages long and their has been one post related to my idea keep it on topic please. Suffice to say that they are Romulan and they can make it happen, if you guys really were getting close to figuring out how they do it the talshar would make you disappear. Since i dont want to be implicated in that please start a new thread if you wish to continue this debate further.

posted on May 24th, 2010, 7:52 am

it is on topic, we are discussing the intricacies of romulan spying and sabotage on a borg ship.
i had a thought, first contact stated that borg ships have high humidity and run higher temperatures, just a little higher then human temp at 38'c, now there is no information if romulans sweat or what temperatures they can withstand, but how long with it take before fatigue set in on the romulan spy even with a bio-dampener, assuming romulans are on par with standard climate of 18'c during their evolution. i wouldnt hedge any bets that the romulan would have to rush his or her mission which would alert the borg.


i also already made my point of view earlier on before this romulan vs borg question.

posted on May 24th, 2010, 8:12 am

Here, simple sabotage method for a crazy git (or someone who's trying to save their family from assimilation).  Beam over with a bomb.  Don't set a timer, just set it off (so they can't disarm it first.)

On a more obscure note, the Romulans play with gravity, especially their engine cores.  The gravimetric technology on a Borg ship may actually resemble that enough that the Romulans know a few weak points they can exploit (and that they would never tell anybody else about, because their ships have the same weak points, and are far more fragile.)

Just detonating a ridiculously overloaded bomb seems the most likely, however.

posted on May 24th, 2010, 1:20 pm

This is my thread and none of this has to do with my idea Optec can i get this thread closed no one seems to like my idea anyway.

posted on May 24th, 2010, 1:54 pm

I like your idea actually Dircome - I was just hoping other people would come up with more ideas for it 

I think though that it should be made a simple as possible, because although all the stuff you suggested is quite cool, from a battle stand point, it is also very micro-management intensive. Thus, something simple like... "beam over agent to random enemy vessel, if fly ally ship when cloaked next to this vessel you recover the agent which gives you some funds, or weakens that particular ship by destroying a random subsystem". I really like the idea of destroying subsystems  . Forces all those enemy ships to protect that vessel if it is life support or engines

posted on May 24th, 2010, 2:43 pm

This is my thread and none of this has to do with my idea Optec can i get this thread closed no one seems to like my idea anyway.

the thread belongs to FO you and i just happened to of been given permission to use it like i have to make a response. but as your insistent; the idea is not really necessary especially with the amount of spies you can throw at the enemy on that intel center and the quick special recharge. now assuming if the intel center is nerfed in 3.13, your idea may have some valid reason but tbh, what would be the point in the spy if all its gonna do is last for 30 seconds in total, a permanent spy would be far more useful and would give the romulans an edge on the enemy, but even so, the rank 4 adds spy on all ships once its special skill is unlocked.

posted on May 24th, 2010, 4:05 pm

you missed the point its going to be a permanent spy but he moves from ship to ship unless he gets stuck on one ship. And being as I started this thread it is mine and I have a right to police my own thread (keep it on topic)

posted on May 24th, 2010, 4:08 pm

Possesive much? Good luck policing; you can nag, but not do anything about the inevitable off-topic posting (it will happen, it almost always does).

A permenant spy that isn't confined to the ship they're originally sent to is likely to be a balance concern.