New Ideas

[corebrach190]

posted on February 9th, 2007, 10:57 pm

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hoe about fixing some fings like so voyager can beat 3 borg spheres
yet an intrepid can beat 1 dominion ship

posted on February 10th, 2007, 10:29 am

this is a game. would a game be balanced like in the shows then the borg would be the overdominant race and it would simply get boring. it's impossible find a solution for that phenomenon. you have to compromise.

posted on February 10th, 2007, 4:40 pm

yes compromise:: Borg are not a playable race

posted on February 10th, 2007, 5:22 pm

hence the difference between good writing (IE this game) and bad wiriting (IE Voyager)

posted on February 10th, 2007, 5:56 pm

yes compromise:: Borg are not a playable race

nooooo , borg must be playeble

posted on February 11th, 2007, 11:28 pm

moved to feature request

[T-Man]

posted on February 12th, 2007, 9:00 am

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Actually, to he honest, i think FO isn't too far away from the canon. If you look at first contact, the Enterprise-E (sovereign) and the cube looked to be about the sizes that they are in FO.

As for the weapons department, i would not be suprised if the Federation has made a few breakthroughs with combat systems. Though i am sure they will not use the tech Voyager had in "Endgame" (temporal investigations would have puppies if they did! ) i'm sure that two borg engagements (Wolf 359, Sector 001) and four major conflicts (Klingon civil war, Dominion war, plus Toral's civil war and Locutus's invastion from Armada I, which AFAIK FO is set after) would certainly inspire some eggheads in the Federation/Klingon alliance to develop some new phaser/torpedo types, which they then share between one another...and which the Romulans "aquire" from them.

As much as i love the collective, there's no hiding from the facts; in First Contact, those fed ships did take down a cube, and that was with only one battleship present (ignoring for now Picard's involvment). Couple that with a few years of technological breakthroughs and more thorough understanding of Borg internal workings (coutesy no doubt of Seven of Nine and the data collected by Voyager during its journey), and i bet a Sovereign could now give a cube a good run for its money, though the cube would still win one-on-one (just like in FO really ^_^).

posted on February 12th, 2007, 4:06 pm

what and you think the borg are NOT gonna have any breakthroughs. Or simply put, assimilating something new.

[Anonymous]

posted on February 12th, 2007, 4:51 pm

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I doubt the Borg are going to be able to develop much.Their development is centred on Assimilation and they don't have much near them to Assimilate that would give them an edge against the Federation,unless they see a reason to go after the Kazon and that would only give them a tactical read-out of an Intrepid which they already have.The only real way for the Borg to gain an edge over the Feds would be for them to Assimilate the Dominion or at least a small part of it,that would give them tactical info as well as weaknesses that the Dominion discovered.It would probably give the Borg access to a Breen energy dampener,and I don't think the Feds would like to see that mg:

[T-Man]

posted on February 12th, 2007, 6:41 pm

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what and you think the borg are NOT gonna have any breakthroughs. Or simply put, assimilating something new.

Usually i would agree, but i think that at the moment the Borg is currently going through a "bad patch". They've got 8472 to worry about, the Unimatrix rebels, the loss of a transwarp hub and, perhaps slightly more important, the fact of the Unicomplex going boom.

Though all of the above is easily dealt with (they've probably even gained equal footing against 8472 by now) it's probably enough to make them want to focus their attentions inward for now, focusing on assessing these issues before going back to their usual expansion and assimilation routines.

Anyways, sorry to go OT. Essentially, i think the balance is kinda okay as it is at the moment. The Voyager modifications would make the game too unbalanced, and they wouldn't be in it canonically anyhow. might be cool for a special mission though, where you only have one ship and need to beat an armada.

posted on February 13th, 2007, 5:14 am

As much as i love the collective, there's no hiding from the facts; in First Contact, those fed ships did take down a cube, and that was with only one battleship present (ignoring for now Picard's involvment). Couple that with a few years of technological breakthroughs and more thorough understanding of Borg internal workings (coutesy no doubt of Seven of Nine and the data collected by Voyager during its journey), and i bet a Sovereign could now give a cube a good run for its money, though the cube would still win one-on-one (just like in FO really happy.gif).

From Memory Alpha ( A very canon source ).

The fleet opened fire, but to minimal effect. The defense perimeter was quickly shattered, with numerous ships being lost, as the cube continued on unrelentingly towards Earth. The surviving ships, including the USS Defiant and the USS Bozeman, assaulted the cube all the way to the Sol system. Realizing that the battle was not progressing well, Picard ordered the Enterprise-E back to Earth in violation of his orders. It has been noted that from the point of the initial Borg attack to a distress call being sent, the attack lasted just over forty seconds.

So within forty seconds, numerous federation ships were destroyed, Picards shooting of the vital section of the borg cube in my oppinion was the very reason it was destroyed, not due to the even-ness of the firepower between the Sovereign and the cube (which is like comparing a battleship to a sophisticated cruiser).

Aftermath

Starfleet's losses in the battle were comparable to the earlier fleet action at Wolf 359. The destruction of so many ships left the remaining fleet stretched thin across the quadrant, as would later be rued by Captain Benjamin Sisko shortly before Dominion forces passed through the Bajoran wormhole into Cardassia, and would prove of even greater significance following the later outbreak of hostilities. (DS9: "In Purgatory's Shadow")

There is more sufficient back up indicating the heavy losses faced by starfleet, which would notably include Galaxy class ships (That is, Hayes flagship).

It's firmly in place that the borg are technologically superior to the federation.

Either way, the Flops solution is alright, I won't complain =].

But your canon is OH so off.

posted on February 14th, 2007, 1:34 am

I love the Borg, I have always been intrigued by them and how they go around the galaxy just assimilating everything in their path. The Borg are very advanced technologically and otherwise, they have these huge ships that are able to assimilate entire worlds, the Borg don't care about little losses like a hub or the unicomplex; yes, those are both very disasterous for the Borg but the Borg will recover, they always have, they always will, the Borg has the information for all ships in starfleet and in any other race in the galaxy because they are all over the galaxy. To make the Borg fun to play and play against it should be a more "advanced" race in FO3 or beyond, advanced means a harder faction to control so yes the Borg are extremely powerful and technologically advanced so they must still have one or more drawbacks that will "even" them out with the other factions in the game. The drawbacks can be as small as the number of resources they get in the beginning of the game or as large as the number of ships or ship points they can have on the map at a time, or my favorite which will be extremely canon but very hard for a Borg player to have which will make the Borg assimilate their enemies instead of getting crew like all the other races, this will make the Borg play like the Borg because instead of getting 5-10 medium ships which costs lets say 1000 drones the Borg always goes for one big ship, which lets say also costs 1000 drones, because the Borg have the technology to revive dead drones in a ship but if they lose a whole ship all those drones are gone so the Borg tries to have the biggest ship in a conflict not just because to get an upper hand on the enemy but also just to survive, if the Borg lose drones more than they get from assimilation they will slowly run out while their enemy will continue to get more and more people to man their ships. Rhaz is right about the Borg, they destroyed a bunch of federation ships in those engagements, not just because they were in a huge ship with hundreds of thousands of drones or even because of their tech superiority but because of intelligence on the federation ships, when Voyager made an agreement with the Borg against Species 8472 when they started working on a bio-weapon the Borg had all the information on Voyager without anyone from Voyager even knowing the Borg knew everything about them. This knowledge lets the Borg destroy anything in their path because the Borg knows all the weaknesses and strengths about their enemy. That might work as another avatar, an avatar to get better intellegience on your enemy. If you guys need any help with the Borg im always open to help out. I know too much about the Borg, its sad.

posted on February 15th, 2007, 12:45 am

Wait, yes! We have "perfection" as their ultimate goal, then "assimilation" as a kind of survival strategy, maybe we could have "adaptation" which focuses on increasing technology and understanding the enemy's weaknesses.

posted on February 15th, 2007, 9:44 pm

Good Idea Mortographer.

posted on February 17th, 2007, 10:39 pm

I think we already talked enough about the differences between the movies/series and this game.

There were: The size of the cube, the scale of different other ships, firepower, the breen ship and why it doesnt break apart like in Ds9 when hit by a defiant ship...

If we want to add more of this...there are a lot of them... the self destruction of the dominion bugs in Ds9 two were enough to destroy a galaxy class.
If that would work in the game....well in another mod they did and the result was that you just had to build a big bunch of bugs and smash them in anything that crosses your way. They are cheap, they are fast, they smash enemy starbases in 5 seconds !

I think you know what I wanna say. ;3