Is the Sovereign underpowered?

[Captain Proton]

posted on June 3rd, 2010, 3:25 pm

Last edited by Captain Proton on June 3rd, 2010, 3:30 pm, edited 1 time in total.

In my personal opinion the Sovereign class is highly underpowered for a number of reasons.

As previously stated in other topics, a lot of people simply don't research Chassis 3, as they have sufficient firepower by 2, with the Excelsior, Remore and Akira combo. However, I think that this is due to an number of reasons, one being that the Sovereign, flagship of the Federation is incredibly underpowered.

To put this into perspective, 2379 saw the USS Enterprise-E engaging combat with the Scimitar, a ship that is typically known to be incredibly powerful, and even referred to by Picard as a 'Predator'. Yet, somehow a standard Sovereign class vessel, defeats it...

Of course, we can't always mirror the TV show within the game, for obvious reasons; but thats not the only flaw. The Galaxy for example, originally built in the mid 2300's has a mere 4 offence points less than the Sovereign when they are both at Veteran. Surely that can't be right? A 50 year old vessel equipped with Photon Torpedoes has nearly the same firepower as a state-of-the-art flagship, equipped with Quantum Torpedoes.

If you remember from Nemesis, two Norexean/Valdore ships assisted the Enterprise during it's conflict with the Scimitar. Now, thinking back, didn't those ships get severely damaged by the Scimitar, and yet the Enterprise in essence was still in fighting condition, albeit lacking torpedoes and the strength to destory the Scimitar.
Of course, the Norexeans have 20 less defense points than the Sovereign, but it still seems very unbalanced if the Scimitar can disable both of those ships no problem...

Well you might say Shinzon didn't want to kill off Picard, but at this point, we're well aware Shinzon is on a revengeful suicide mission, and I personally think he would have destroyed the Enterprise if he could, like he tried to at the end with the activation of the Theta Radiation generator.

Here are some statistics that I think would be a better fitted for the Sovereign, in order to encourage people to research Chassis 3, and actually use the Sovereign in combat, instead of mass production of the Excelsior class, with it's guided Torpedoes.

Current Stats:

Offence: 36
Defence: 46
System: 18

Possible Stats:

Offence: 42
Defence: 47
System: 24

I feel that this would make the Sovereign a much more desirable ship, and overall increase it's gameplay and uses.
Opinions like always are appreciated!  :thumbsup:

posted on June 3rd, 2010, 3:35 pm

Personally, I find the sovy underdone. I'd think that the sovy would be more like this according to canon.

Offense: 43
Defense: 49
System: 22

Idk if this would go to the other extreme though.

posted on June 3rd, 2010, 3:35 pm

NNNOOOOOOO!!!!!

Sovereign threads are like those bad horror films that keep getting sequels over and over again.

The Enterprise E would be considered a Vetern Sovereign, and those things are next to unkillable thanks to their passives.

As previously stated in other topics, a lot of people simply don't research Chassis 3, as they have sufficient firepower by 2, with the Excelsior, Remore and Akira combo. However, I think that this is due to an number of reasons, one being that the Sovereign, flagship of the Federation is incredibly underpowered.

Almost all the people in your poll for the chassis thread say they either research it sometimes or all the time, so I'm not sure this statement is accurate.  The fact that the Sov comes with ablative armor is a great reason to make it, especially for Risner.

I'm not trying to rain on your parade, it's just that this has been discussed over and over again.  The Sovereign really is worth it, trust me.

posted on June 3rd, 2010, 3:38 pm

Sovereign is fine to me. The torps are powerful, and it screws the enemies engines.

Shinzon didn't get serious until after Picard rammed his ship, when both of them were screwed. A standard Sovereign was no contest for Scimitar. People need to stop with the flawed Scimitar comparison; it's like comparing an A-Wing to a Star Destroyer.

posted on June 3rd, 2010, 3:53 pm

NOT another sovvie is weak thread the last one went on for 70 some pages lol
Anyway the reason the sovies are not built often is because they are so high on the techtree not because they are useless. The sovvie is not meant to be a main line ship, there is just a few of them.

posted on June 3rd, 2010, 4:47 pm

i think the sovreign is fine. i just think its the special that doesnt fit to the ship, and that the ranked bonus. i simply think that its wrong to give it a bonus that only helps against unranked ships. why?
the additional expierience is alr in the stats of the ship and its doenst make sense to make a ship less vulnerable to unranked ships, because gunz stay gunz, no matter what idiot uses it. Aslong it hits, it hurts and the fact that veterans aim at weaker points as example is alr given out by the higher offense value.

posted on June 3rd, 2010, 4:52 pm

Offensive value reflects the offensive tech, not the crew. The same with the defensive value. The ability is just the crew taking advantage of the lower experience of the enemy, since an experienced enemy would know how to negate the effect.

posted on June 3rd, 2010, 4:57 pm

Offensive value reflects the offensive tech, not the crew. The same with the defensive value. The ability is just the crew taking advantage of the lower experience of the enemy, since an experienced enemy would know how to negate the effect.

u know that this would have to be for every ship class, do you ?

posted on June 3rd, 2010, 5:00 pm

Not really, not every ship would attract crew as good as a Sovereigns. Ships like those tend to get the best crew.

Besides, since when does every officer gain the same specialties from experience? Individuals don't work like a collective.

posted on June 3rd, 2010, 5:37 pm

Horribly slow? High Cost? No real punch?
I rarely use it...

The Sovereign is, in it's current state, simply far to unattractive to build... I can get a hell lot of more firepower, endurance and speed for less... When I build Sovereigns it is just to taunt the Enemy...

[Tyler]

posted on June 3rd, 2010, 5:43 pm

Last edited by Tyler on June 3rd, 2010, 5:45 pm, edited 1 time in total.

The Sovereign is no slower than any of its counterparts (except the Negh'Var) and is the most durable. Durability is the Federation's hat, not power.

How do people keep forgetting that?

posted on June 3rd, 2010, 5:44 pm

the race redos we are currently working on will change a lot on the federation techtree, including some new roles for the Sovereign yet it wont become a torpedo-yielding zealot

posted on June 3rd, 2010, 5:55 pm

How do people keep forgetting that?

Idk, I often find it easy to waste away those sovies. Almost too easy.

posted on June 3rd, 2010, 6:02 pm

Well, the souvereign on Risner will be used by me in some states. I always play against the KI. (I like single player even if the game is designed for multi-player - I can build and turtle there and SLOWLY test out new tactics - so that they can fail and I start a new try... it makes fun)

The souvie will be used in order to "capture things" I build them, send some defiants in order to make an enemy unable to fire and then I capture for example a Tavara with a bunch of souvies.

This ship is also nice as fire taker, when I need to do micro for my other ships. It can take a bit of damage. But I would never set a souvie to vet. There are much more ships better suited for a vet rank. For example the Avalon-class.

If I can get my handy on the miranda MK II I will use it in order to wipe the floor with smaller ships. Against the Medium sized vessels I use things like Akira and Defiant with a little ECM-support. Against larger things, the souvie might be good, BUT the special is worthless for this ship.

There is just no real reason for me to use the special. It does nearly no damage, consumes much energy and will maybe deactivate an engine with very little damage.

I like the souvie as hole-fitter, but it is not a mainline ship and will only be effective in masses.

It dont got the range to do firesupport tasks, it doent get the speed to take down small ships, it even doesnt have the firepower do deal a fear factor. Either it will miss or it will be taken out from long range or it will be taken out by specials.

I use the Akira, the Steamrunner and the Avalon with a nice support from Defiant-Class ships and here and there a support vessel. It is not the strongest combo, but it works pretty nice.

[Tyler]

posted on June 3rd, 2010, 6:04 pm

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Engine overload isn't mean to kill ships, it's mainly for helping you retreat and preventing them (Constructors) from retreating.

Is there anyone here not focused entirely on firepower?