Founders

posted on December 11th, 2010, 11:43 pm

In my eyes the Dominion misses their most important part: the founders! Where are they? Were they wrote out of the Dominion in FO history?

I've made up an idea(well, some ideas):
In mid or late game a Dominion player can call in a founder with his starbase(a founder would only join the largest battles, that's why it should be late game). When the founder arives you may send him from your starbase to a ship. If he stays on the SB(or a dreadnought/ battleship) he could give an overall bonus for all Dom ships(just a small one, or maybe decreased supply costs, sth. like that, sth to represent that an experienced general has taken over, a god has arrived!). If you sent him on a ship that ship gets immediately ranked up to Veteran(or just gets a large defense bonus, the Jem'Hadar would fight like berzerks for their gods), as long as the Founder is on bord. He would be special weapon you can move from one ship to the next, even to an enemy one.
On an enemy ship a founder can do different things. Either just spying, or disabling a subsystem or (muhaha) killing the Captain(or a part of the crew) and taking over the command for some seconds(the crews aren't dumb, they'll realize that there is sth. wrong when they have to fire on their comrads, shouldn't work for Borg). A founder is a changeling and not as easily to get like a Tal Shiar agent. I don't know, but he shouldn't get killed via repairing.
One last thing: If a founder dies, a god dies. It really hits the belief of the Jem'Hadar and Vor'ta, so all Dom units would get a malus on one of their values for some time (like in DoW when a Tau ethereal dies ).

So, that's nearly a role play aspect here and a focus on one single thing, BUT it's a founder after all, a leader of the Dominion. What do you think? Of course that's a bunch of ideas now, but probably something of it could be realized in game.

posted on December 11th, 2010, 11:48 pm

In direct combat, the Founders are mostly a background element that affect battle the same way other races commanders would. A special 'command station' with a founder in charge that acts similar to the Klingon superstation would be a welcome edition if it could be made different in some way.

I think it was said that things like spy/sabotage efforts are going to be kept as a Romulan thing; the founders are superior at it, but it's more commonly associated with the Tal Shiar than anyone else.

posted on December 11th, 2010, 11:52 pm

Idk personally im waiting for a founder avatar

posted on December 11th, 2010, 11:58 pm

I think that some limited spy things could be kind of interesting - maybe it could even be a 'research' that you get late game where enemy ships randomly reveal their telemetry or something. On the whole though, there are very few founders, so I think it'd be odd to be actually placing them - especially when they could be killed.

Idk personally im waiting for a founder avatar

You mean like Puretech  hehe 

posted on December 12th, 2010, 1:07 am

Na they have a vorta as an avatar. I want a founder as an avatar

posted on December 12th, 2010, 1:55 am

I don't think the Founders would go anywhere near the battle, so their infiltration abilities wouldn't be used.  And aside from that they'd be Puretech.

posted on December 12th, 2010, 11:23 am

And they're stucked in another quadrant... (mostly)

posted on December 12th, 2010, 11:54 am

It would be interesting to have two avatars for Dominion, alpha and gamma, where thge gammas could have founders, alphas would be use their alpha quadrant allies like breen or son'a.

posted on December 12th, 2010, 1:22 pm

Well, we saw the founders act aggressively during the Dominion war, the female founder seemed to fulfill the role of a general, others infiltrated the alpha quadrant. And remember the founder on that bug(!). Of course it would be very rarely, maybe only one founder in late game, if he dies you won't get another one.

Btw why does puretech show Weyoun? His last clone died long before FO . So there would be the possibility to show a founder. but I guess some people would call for some Vorta ability then .

posted on December 12th, 2010, 1:39 pm

I guess having Alpha and Gamma avatars could work.

I think the Puretech avatar shows Weyoun because he's one of the most well known Vorcha (and easiest to get a picture of).

posted on December 12th, 2010, 1:44 pm

I think the Puretech avatar shows Weyoun because he's one of the most well known Vorcha (and easiest to get a picture of).

vorcha?

[img width=600]http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20080911215909/memoryalpha/en/images/8/84/Vorcha_class.jpg[/img]

sure u dont mean vorta

posted on December 12th, 2010, 2:36 pm

And they're stucked in another quadrant... (mostly)

dont think so i'm sure the wormhole reopened at the end of ds9

posted on December 12th, 2010, 3:14 pm

dont think so i'm sure the wormhole reopened at the end of ds9

Its not that the wormhole was ever closed to begin with. There was a brief time where the pah'wraiths closed it but sisko reopened it with an orb before the end of the war. The only reason Dominion forces stopped using it was because the wormhole aliens caused them to lose a massive fleet headed through it. After that I dont think the Dominion were willing to try to send forces through again, but the wormhole was still working properly.

posted on December 12th, 2010, 3:21 pm

Its not that the wormhole was ever closed to begin with. There was a brief time where the pah'wraiths closed it but sisko reopened it with an orb before the end of the war. The only reason Dominion forces stopped using it was because the wormhole aliens caused them to lose a massive fleet headed through it. After that I dont think the Dominion were willing to try to send forces through again, but the wormhole was still working properly.

it was never stated caterogically one way or the other.

we only have a vague line saying that the prophets were the only reason the dominion werent coming through.

they could have been doing that by keeping it closed during the war.

i think that the dominion would have at least tried to send a probe through.

the next time we see the wormhole used is when kira takes odo back to fix the goo. by this time sisko is already dead and could have opened it again for them.

either way it changes nothing as the dominion probably had a fair number of ships waiting on the other side anyway.

have u been on holiday equinox, its been a while since u posted.

posted on December 12th, 2010, 3:24 pm

I don't think it's so much that the Dominion can't go through the Wormhole, more that they won't but for a different reason; they have a somewhat stable peace with the Feds and her allies, Odo is trying to change them and the various alpha quadrent powers feelings towards them makes Odos job easier if he keeps them on their side.

Reluctance to use it doesn't explain how they got back after the war.