Excelsior - Lakota Model for Warp-in.

[Boggz]

posted on January 29th, 2010, 7:50 pm

Last edited by Boggz on February 1st, 2010, 6:55 pm, edited 1 time in total.

Hello! (as always )


  So I thought about the Lakota in another thread here and wondered how the Devs would feel about putting the Excelsior-Lakota Refit Ent-B / Lakota MODEL into the Warp-in?

EDIT:  NOT the actual refit of the USS Lakota, but simply the model it uses.

   I know that we have plenty of and excellent ships in the warp-in already, but seeing as it is in fact a canon vessel with some nice airtime in Generations and DS9 (though still very rare) it would be feasible to shtick it in with the Warp-ins as a VERY rare chance.


  Stats and figures would likely be:

• Very similar to the actual Excelsior I with a slight boost.
• Perhaps with a fun ability unique to only it 

  Could be lots of fun!  Just a little bit special to keep the Feds with the flavor we love .

posted on January 29th, 2010, 8:56 pm

Already answered in the other thread - but as far as I remember, the Lakota was planned as the veteran textured Excelsior war-refit that is already in

[quaddmgtech]

posted on January 29th, 2010, 9:30 pm

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Thought I would throw in my .002 since the Excelsior Class is my Favorite line of ships. First off I think that the stats would need to be significantly improved over a Vanilla Excelsior. Considering that it fought the Defiant to a stand still. You may be mistaking the U.S.S. Lakota for a standard 'Dominion War Refit' Excelsior  U.S.S. Lakota Stats would probably be at least something rivaling the Excelsior II in game so it doesn't make much sense to have it... but I would love to see it in action someday 

So Dom, there is a new veteran excelsior texture in 3.1.1? If so you just made my day but I havent seen it yet cause it's been busy so I havent had much time to play 

posted on January 29th, 2010, 9:36 pm

Hey, I didn't say for a specific patch - I just said "when the devs have time"

Star Trek Armada II: Fleet Operations - And Asthetic request.

There is now "official forum proof"

posted on January 29th, 2010, 9:43 pm

Excellent 

posted on January 29th, 2010, 9:56 pm

Thought I would throw in my .002 since the Excelsior Class is my Favorite line of ships. First off I think that the stats would need to be significantly improved over a Vanilla Excelsior. Considering that it fought the Defiant to a stand still. You may be mistaking the U.S.S. Lakota for a standard 'Dominion War Refit' Excelsior  U.S.S. Lakota Stats would probably be at least something rivaling the Excelsior II in game so it doesn't make much sense to have it... but I would love to see it in action someday 

Lol!  2 cents would be .02 .  .002 is 2/1000's of a dollar .  Nice try though!

  Well I don't know if a Lakota should be SO much stronger than a vanilla Excel, because as you may recall from that episode "Paradise Lost", on the opening volley from the Lakota O'Brien says that someone must have upgraded the Lakota's firepower because "that's a lot of firepower coming from an Excelsior Class ship".

  So clearly that version of the Lakota Refit was "exceptional" compared to others.  Plus, if the Lakota becomes the look of a Veteran Excelsior it will already have exceptional stats simply because it's veteran .

@Dom:

It wasn't answered when I made the thread .  That's why I made it!  I had heard speculation on how it was planned to be included but had not heard yet from Optec what he had in mind.

Now we know!  I like the idea of making the Venture and Lakota into the Veteran status' of their respective ships.

Keep in mind too that he didn't actually SAY the Lakota was going to be the Veteran status.  He simply said:

yep, the Lakota is on todo

If you happen to know for a fact that it will be the Veteran version then by all means, share.

posted on January 29th, 2010, 10:02 pm

As for the Excel Refit, could the veteran upgrade randomly choose a different model for it? The Lakota and Enterprise-B were different colors.

posted on January 29th, 2010, 10:02 pm

Haha, well I never was any good at math  :sweatdrop:

posted on January 29th, 2010, 10:03 pm

Keep in mind too that he didn't actually SAY the Lakota was going to be the Veteran status.  He simply said:

If you happen to know for a fact that it will be the Veteran version then by all means, share.

That's why it was in the guide in the Fed Apocrypha section .

posted on January 30th, 2010, 11:32 am

Yep and we already have that behaivor with adding subsystems to ranking-up vessels

posted on January 30th, 2010, 5:46 pm

Yep and we already have that behaivor with adding subsystems to ranking-up vessels

That's great!  Thanks for sharing!

[navyguy]

posted on January 30th, 2010, 6:51 pm

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Question ?  Ambassador Class is that more powerful than a Excelscior refit.  2. In the warp in stage how does a standard excelscior have a long weapons rang, but yet the Ambassador has short? 3. Ambassadors came out after Excelsiors,  and yes it was a heavy cruiser. I was going through Star Treak Lcars Blueprint Database, it is saying its a heavy cruiser, i hope maybe it will get a meadium weapons range? Why wouldnt it be important were still useing Mirandas, Excelsciors, and yet we go from Excelsciors to Galaxy Class. You can have a buildable Miranda Class but yet you can only warp in a Ambassador Class? so if you were to upgrade the Ambassador Class would that not make her more powerful than a upgraded Excelscior? I was looking through Ex Astris Scientia, and saw clearly the phaser output is stronger on the Ambassador than the Excelscior, how can this be argued? Okay would someone look up the info as i have and at least consider it? , everyone talks about Excelsciors, Galaxy Class etc, and yet the Ambassador Class once hailed as the ultimate in Star Fleet deasign is overlooked to a mere warp in satus?

posted on January 30th, 2010, 6:56 pm

1. Ambassadors are more powerful than a non-Lakota Excelsior Refit.
2. Different weapons, designed for different reasons. Ambassador punches, Excelsior snipes.
3. And the Excelsior was a Battleship when it came out, the original type isn't as important in modern times.

posted on January 30th, 2010, 6:59 pm

i would think an original ambassador would not be able to handle a excel refit (lakota) because the lakota equalled the defiant, and has quantums. maybe if the ambassador was refitted well, if the class was easy to refit with latest tech, then maybe the refit ambassador could take a lakota refit excel. we have never seen a refit ambassador, so we dont know how easy to refit they are. we do know the excel could easily be refitted cos they did it so much.

posted on January 30th, 2010, 7:02 pm

Question ?  Ambassador Class is that more powerful than a Excelscior refit.  2. In the warp in stage how does a standard excelscior have a long weapons rang, but yet the Ambassador has short? 3. Ambassadors came out after Excelsiors,  and yes it was a heavy cruiser. 

  Because it's a game and things have to be different .  The Devs decided that those would be the roles for those vessels  .  I don't think there's a "reality" reason besides the fact that it's a game.


@myleswolfers

  The Lakota you're talking about from "Paradise Lost" had been upgraded.  I was confused at first but after the Defiant gets hit with the first volley O'Brien mentions that "someone upgraded the Lakota's weapons.  That's a lot of firepower coming from an Excelsior Class ship".  So it looks as though it was upgraded specifically to do the nefarious deeds of the rogue admiral in that episode  .