Descent avatar bonuses

[Kestrel]

posted on December 27th, 2010, 4:51 pm

Last edited by Kestrel on December 27th, 2010, 4:57 pm, edited 1 time in total.

If the Type-15 is a 'mounted phaser cannon', that doesn't explain the Sabre and Nebula having that same weapon.

Not the same power output is my logic, your logic is flawed he is defensive....

There are cut down versions of all kinds of things but with the same name doesnt actually make them the same tho, other than the sound the two make being the same thats all they have in comon they do not hit with the same strengh.

Tyler responded after me myles get facts straight here if you want to argue about everything as you normally do.

posted on December 27th, 2010, 5:09 pm

Nothing wrong with my logic, the flaw is your opinion that a weapon used on multiple small/large ships is a mounted turret weapon. A type-15 is a type-15, lower versions of a weapon have lower numbers.

Defensive is irrelevent, all Starfleet weapons are defensive.

posted on December 27th, 2010, 5:12 pm

Not the same power output is my logic, your logic is flawed he is defensive....

his logic is not flawed, mayson is defensive, but that doesnt mean every single unit has to follow that to the letter. or why would he operate ACS torps, as those arent defensive. it is in fact your logic that everything mayson should be defensive that is flawed. the flaw is a flaw of extrapolation from a weak base.

Tyler responded after me myles get facts straight here if you want to argue about everything as you normally do.

tyler responded BEFORE me, so actually read posts and get your "facts straight" before you take challenging tones.

to summarise and make things 100% clear:

you posted reply 12 -> tyler posted reply 13 which points out the flaw in your logic from reply 12 -> i post reply 14, and as tyler did the work for me, i dont have to point out the flaw in your reply 12.

and yes i enjoy a debate, forums are places for talk and debate, if you dont want your points rebutted, you are free to make a blog and disable comments. have a lovely day

posted on December 27th, 2010, 6:21 pm

his logic is not flawed, mayson is defensive, but that doesnt mean every single unit has to follow that to the letter. or why would he operate ACS torps, as those arent defensive. it is in fact your logic that everything mayson should be defensive that is flawed. the flaw is a flaw of extrapolation from a weak base.

tyler responded BEFORE me, so actually read posts and get your "facts straight" before you take challenging tones.

to summarise and make things 100% clear:

you posted reply 12 -> tyler posted reply 13 which points out the flaw in your logic from reply 12 -> i post reply 14, and as tyler did the work for me, i dont have to point out the flaw in your reply 12.

and yes i enjoy a debate, forums are places for talk and debate, if you dont want your points rebutted, you are free to make a blog and disable comments. have a lovely day

You said tyler already pointed out the error in my logic even tho he posted after me and you were quoting something i wrote before he supposedly pointed me out .... your logic is in error in fact its in over time fail.

posted on December 27th, 2010, 6:37 pm

You said tyler already pointed out the error in my logic even tho he posted after me and you were quoting something i wrote before he supposedly pointed me out .... your logic is in error in fact its in over time fail.

copypasta time:

to summarise and make things 100% clear:

you posted reply 12 -> tyler posted reply 13 which points out the flaw in your logic from reply 12 -> i post reply 14, and as tyler did the work for me, i dont have to point out the flaw in your reply 12.

ive even given u the reply numbers, go read the first page and you will see i'm correct.

posted on December 27th, 2010, 7:41 pm

Thinking about this, I kinda wonder why Mayson doesn't equip his starbases with Type XV phasers, and quantum torpedoes and quantum pulses.

With Risner attaching her prefered weapons, the Magnan Phaser and Peregrine fighters.  All of this at heavy upgrade, of course.

I think I also know why Risner's torp turret uses photons.  Starfleet has a LOT of photons.  By using extremely common ammunition, she doesn't have to worry much at all about maintaining a logistics train for those, and can focus more of her attention on offensive measures.

I take the modified starbase weapons idea from Taq and Marty, of course.  Heavy Disruptor and Micro Photons.

posted on December 27th, 2010, 7:49 pm

Thinking about this, I kinda wonder why Mayson doesn't equip his starbases with Type XV phasers, and quantum torpedoes and quantum pulses.

With Risner attaching her prefered weapons, the Magnan Phaser and Peregrine fighters.  All of this at heavy upgrade, of course.

primary weapon for risner: standard pulses
primary weapon for mayson: quantum pulses

first upgrade for risner: standard beam
first upgrade for mayson: type XV

second upgrade for risner: photons
second upgrade for mayson: quantums

as long as each stage did roughly the same dps, with the primary weapons doing exactly the same dps for balancing reasons, then it would be fine by me.

maybe a fighter detachment could be a separate upgrade for risner, and runabouts for mayson. as suggested before.

i think magnan should stay on phalanx. its too unique.

posted on December 27th, 2010, 8:00 pm

im not getting them confused, mayon's turret has type XV risner's does not. that is specific to his avatar.

i wasnt suggesting it to conform with the mayson = defence,  risner = GUNZ idea. not everything has to follow that idea mayson gets ACS for his excel, how is that defensive?

mayson has more use of the type XV phaser, maybe he likes it better, hence he puts it on his turret.

Well, Mayson only has more use of type XV-phasers because since the last patches the only federation vessel available to Risner that has a type XV-phaser is the Nebula refit. Before, Mayson only had the veteran-Norway and the beam-turret having it in addition to vessels that got it before patch 3.1.4.

Also the Descent has a phaser-weaponry of no consequence (does barely stop the shield regen on even klingon ships for crying out loud). Giving the Descent a Type XV would be laughable. 

That's why I suggested in my Edit that Mayson could have the ACS-passive installed on Descent-vessels. Would make not much sense, but the only believable avatar-specific sense at all. What shall Risner give it? Fighters? Magnan? +6 Offense, +9 System? Come on... that's pointless.

posted on December 27th, 2010, 8:25 pm

Giving the Descent a Type XV would be laughable. 

not true, no matter how much formatting u use, it wont make your point less wrong

veteran ships get more dps, instead of splitting that increase in dps between more phaser and more torp power, give the increase purely to the phaser. so the type XV phaser will do serious damage. and the vet torps will do the same damage as officer torps.

its the phaser that is likely to get the bigger boost anyway, as the torps are upgraded by the torp builders mostly.

posted on December 27th, 2010, 8:51 pm

I think the descent needs more offensive power since its difficult to choose the descent over 3 other ships because they can cause more damage together.

Risner could get an added weapon to it like the quantum pulse which is supposed to be outfitted on most modern federation starships and the decent is new after all and its supposed to be a battleship but has a weak phaser cannon quantum pulse might give it a bit more teeth.

Think the mayson descent should also get a little increase on the offensive power of the decent also perhaps with just a damage increase on its current weapons.

[RedEyedRaven]

posted on December 27th, 2010, 9:29 pm

Last edited by RedEyedRaven on December 27th, 2010, 9:31 pm, edited 1 time in total.

not true, no matter how much formatting u use, it wont make your point less wrong

veteran ships get more dps, instead of splitting that increase in dps between more phaser and more torp power, give the increase purely to the phaser. so the type XV phaser will do serious damage. and the vet torps will do the same damage as officer torps.

its the phaser that is likely to get the bigger boost anyway, as the torps are upgraded by the torp builders mostly.

First off, my point would only prove wrong if the devs decide to increase the phaser-firepower to actually hurt someone really bad, which is unlikely since almost all dps are provided by two forward quantum-launchers. Even on veteran rank the phaser is only there to look at. 
Veterans also are exceptions, veteran Descents are ... well ... wait, there's a veteran Descent in the game?


The final result of the faction-redo for the feds may contain new stuff for the Descent, but since it's a torp-based unit, it won't get a type XV-phaser just for fun.

posted on December 27th, 2010, 10:03 pm

primary weapon for risner: standard pulses
primary weapon for mayson: quantum pulses

first upgrade for risner: standard beam
first upgrade for mayson: type XV

second upgrade for risner: photons
second upgrade for mayson: quantums

as long as each stage did roughly the same dps, with the primary weapons doing exactly the same dps for balancing reasons, then it would be fine by me.

maybe a fighter detachment could be a separate upgrade for risner, and runabouts for mayson. as suggested before.

i think magnan should stay on phalanx. its too unique.

I was going to suggest the Advanced Shuttlebays as an addition to the Risner starbase, but i see it's already suggested.

Since Mayson is defensive, perhaps Defense Patterns can be added as a special to his starbase.