Defiant Downgrade

[Captain Proton]

posted on February 17th, 2010, 4:39 pm

Last edited by Captain Proton on February 17th, 2010, 4:45 pm, edited 1 time in total.

Sorry for yet another Defiant thread, but I thought of an idea, that theoretically would solve some problems.

Ok, currently the Defiant is a late game vessel, that unfortunately doesn't live up to it's entire role, as a dedicated warship. Firing slow bursts, and lacking a rear phaser (no bitterness  )

Because of this, I rarely use the Defiant. By the time Cubes and S7's are roaming the map, the Defiant becomes a rather inferior vessel. I've already proposed the addition of a rear phaser, but it was rejected  . So. here is my new idea:

Downgrading the Defiant to a Chassis 2 level ship.

That way, it comes in around Mid game and can do a relatively good job as a warship, before the big guns start to roll out, and by then one or two Defiant s should have levelled up, preparing them to tackle the late game ships.

So, you might be saying, yeah but now you do an entire level upgrade, just for the Sovereign (If you're playing Mayson).

In terms of my most used, and essentially powerful ships, my list goes like this:

Sovereign
Phalanx
Remore
Defiant
Excelsior
Avalon

As you can see, I regard the Remore as one of the top 3 vessels. What if the Remore was upgraded to a Level 3 Chassis vessel? With a possible faster rate of torpedo fire to go with it?

Problem solved 

posted on February 17th, 2010, 4:44 pm

I don't feel the Defiant to be inferior against cubes etc. 

As long as it has at least level 4, the Defiant is quite tough if used in groups against Borg or other warships - especially because it swallows loads of damage.

posted on February 17th, 2010, 4:49 pm

I think the Phalanx should be more powerful than the sovie, but thats just me.


Actually it was discussed in other threads that the excelcior 2 might become a level 2 ship, so what if the defiant was downgraded, and put in its place, made as a light battleship.

posted on February 17th, 2010, 4:50 pm

I'd go with that. I'm just sick of having the Defiant eaten in the late game. It's a mid game ship in my opinion, a rival of the Vorcha. 

posted on February 17th, 2010, 4:54 pm

Well, it's far more balanced for multiplayer, where your opponent isn't fielding cubes right away and nobody is making S-7s.  Usually you're facing destroyers and cruisers, which the defiants mop up quite easily.  As there are few ships with fast tracking weapons, and because of the passives it has, it's a pretty nice ship.  And risner gives it +9 extra stats!

If I'm mayson, I'm building E-IIs and norways and akiras and some remores to bleed off my tritanium stores.  The guided quantums The E-II has plus the stats make it super powerful.

Also, the Avalon is a beast right now, because the AI (and some players) will end up attacking the fighters instead, making you almost invulnerable.  I almost want her to go up to chassis 3 again.  She's a very strong ship right now.

posted on February 17th, 2010, 4:58 pm

I'd go with that. I'm just sick of having the Defiant eaten in the late game. It's a mid game ship in my opinion, a rival of the Vorcha. 

I don't feel it this way. To me it seems wrong if the Defiant is settled on one level with the Vor'cha  :blink:

Especially when fielded by Risner, the Defiant has quite strong pulse wepons and due to the later tagged on torpedoes it's suited against both destroyers and battleships, and due to it's passives it can resist a cube when used in a fleet quite well. I prefer to have the Defiant being a ship you can look forward to have and you have to care of before it's getting great.

posted on February 17th, 2010, 5:45 pm

The defiant needs quantum torpedoes and a rear and front phaser. I think i suggested it before but it fell on deaf ears,i don't think the devs want to update the defiant.

posted on February 17th, 2010, 6:27 pm

Defiant already Quantums, and the Critical Shot is also a pair of (presumably modified) Quantums.

posted on February 17th, 2010, 9:10 pm

I don't feel the Defiant to be inferior against cubes etc. 

As long as it has at least level 4, the Defiant is quite tough if used in groups against Borg or other warships - especially because it swallows loads of damage.

Look at how much damage each quantum does though.  The torpedoes themselves do about 2 damage apiece I think.  It's not that big of a difference until it's a vet.

posted on February 17th, 2010, 10:47 pm

Yeah... all I can add on is that the current Defiant is quite the beast - a very nice vessel for punishing both large targets and small. Yet another demonstration of good Federation flexibility

posted on February 18th, 2010, 4:50 am

I feel like the Defiant might benefit from an additional passive (I know it has a number already), that makes it's pulses do normal damage to both Small and Medium sized targets, -20% to Large, and a standard -40% to stations.

  Bump it's pulses up one level .

posted on February 18th, 2010, 5:58 am

Just my two cents. This isn't SIM Operations, we shouldn't feel constrained to model every single weapon emplacement on every ship. And to be honest the Defiant is one of the best ships, I think it's crazy that the Sovereign is your most built ship! The Excelsior II is still the best performing ship out of that yard currently.

posted on February 18th, 2010, 6:41 am

Rhaz, why I agree that the Excel II is the best out of that yard, I don't understand what you mean about the Defiant.

posted on February 18th, 2010, 7:28 am

Just my two cents. This isn't SIM Operations, we shouldn't feel constrained to model every single weapon emplacement on every ship. And to be honest the Defiant is one of the best ships, I think it's crazy that the Sovereign is your most built ship! The Excelsior II is still the best performing ship out of that yard currently.

Actually, I stated its my opinion that the Sovereign is the most powerful vessel. It's not my most built vessel by an means 

Thats these 3:

E-2
Akira
Remore

posted on February 18th, 2010, 9:06 am

E-2
Akira
Remore

Fo' sho'! 

  Why spend the money on more expensive and longer build-time Sovereigns that don't have guided torps when you can build Excel II's?