Cube crew

posted on August 25th, 2010, 5:05 pm

They didn't resist at all, they simply brushed aside the resistance. Using hundreds for a single world after defeating them was overkill.

Though, it makes you wonder how they managed to stay one step ahead for so long...

posted on August 25th, 2010, 5:26 pm

In my honest opinion it must be a standard Borg procedure for conquering a homeworld species 10026 got swarmed with cubes, Arturis (Hope and fear) said they sorrounded their system with hundreds of cubes and Guinan said they swarmed through their system. Only question is why the Borg haven't done the same to Earth...

posted on August 25th, 2010, 5:29 pm

One theory is that they're forcing them to develop further before going for the kill. They would benefit from that approach, unless it backfired.

That would oppose First Contact, though.

posted on August 25th, 2010, 9:43 pm

the borg didnt actually try hard to assimilate earth as then earth would be borg, and the federation would probably lose the will to fight and become borg soon enough too. most of starfleet appears to be human for budget reasons no apparent reason.

they love to show how the borg steam roll everyone else, but then mysteriously fail to hurt earth.

first contact made little sense. if they were trying to assimilate earth the old fasioned way, why only 1 cube?

if the plan all along was to go back in time, then why go back in time in earth orbit, why not go back in time 50 light years from earth, then fly in the rest of the way, so that picard cant tailgate you through the time tunnel thingy.

and why was the sphere in orbit attacking montana with what appeared to be fireworks, they had pitiful explosive yields lol

oh and worst of all, why bother assimilate earth anyway?

whats the point, starfleet tech isnt that special.

there are plenty of species in the delta quadrant that havnt become one with the borg yet. like the kazon.

posted on August 25th, 2010, 9:52 pm

My guess is that the Borg are 'farming' the Federation, engineering crisis to force the Federation to improve their technology because the Borg lack creativity. Most of the Fed's best tech, like the Defiant and Sovereign, are a direct result of the Borg threat. Once Federation tech has reached its full potential, then the Borg will truly attack.

posted on August 25th, 2010, 10:00 pm

Cabal's suggestion is very plausible, also the federation as stated isn't all that special and maybe being so far away from core borg space helps keep earth safe. The borg have Earth on their "to do" list, they send a cube every now and then to see if anything has changed, eventually they will come in masses when the federation comes up with something that interests them. And as far as the Kazon not being assimilated, why would the borg bother? The Kazon have nothing of use for the borg, it would be a waste of time for them to assimilate them. Also the fact that the Kazon have no real homeworld would mean the borg would have to actively find them and for what? The kazon are the rednecks of the star trek universe, not worth the effort.

posted on August 25th, 2010, 10:09 pm

the idea that the borg were farming the federation is an interesting one, but they seemed to be genuinly trying to assimilate them, and getting beaten.

so the federation and kazon are pretty much the same to the borg, an inferior race, which are really only useful to make drones out of. starfleet tech is weaker than the borg's, the borg can't learn anything clever from starfleet.

so that leads us to assume that the borg could assimilate the kazon (or furry warthogs, or krenim etc) instead of the federation if they just wanted drones.

the kazon sects do have planets, just more than 1. and their ships seem to be numerous. kazon tech is ever weaker than fed tech, so less resistance.


the point is that the borg attacking the federation is silly, and only for the show.

posted on August 25th, 2010, 10:18 pm

Yeah but the borg do not go after races if there is nothing to gain from it, the Kazon have nothing of value to the borg, that keeps them safe, borg really dont to attack just to gain more drones, they can basically grow all the drones they need. As stated in Q-Who by Q, the borg identified the Enterprise as something it can use, the federation has a vast amount of wealth and knowledge that you can bet the borg wouldnt mind having. Seems like the borg are more "window shopping" the federation, they go by every once in awhile and see if theres anything worth going back for. But as shown before, the borg dont really mind waiting for things to happen, they are in no hurry to assimilate the federation because truth be told they could have easily done it by now.

posted on August 25th, 2010, 10:30 pm

so why did that sphere bother going back in time?

if they were only "window shopping" why go to the lengths of using time travel?

the federation cant have anything to offer the borg, their technology is inferior to the borg's. also federation technology is about the same as the romulans/dominion and other major powers. yet the borg dont attack romulus.

the only thing they can get from earth is more drones.

but there are plenty of planets in the delta quadrant full of prospective drones.

earth isnt close to the borg, it takes time and fuel (whatever the borg expend to travel distances) to get to earth.

borg cant grow drones. they steal other races kids and make them grow up.

posted on August 25th, 2010, 10:36 pm

Even if the Borg are more advanced in general, another race could still have something they don't.

But that still opposes First Contacts silly plan, and the Queen called Humans inferior and unremarkable.

posted on August 25th, 2010, 11:25 pm

My rationale for the time travel thing is this.  The Queen is an aberration brought about by Hugh introducing individuality into the Collective from an angle they were not prepared to squash it efficiently from.  Therefore, none of her plans and decisions have to make sense.  They are driven not by the desire for perfection, but by her own greed and ambition.

With this rationale in place, I thank Janeway and her temporal paradoxes for blowing up the data nodes that the 'Queen' was stored in, so that the Borg can be scary again.

posted on August 26th, 2010, 12:35 am

borg cant grow drones. they steal other races kids and make them grow up.

Ever hear of test tube babies? You can bet the borg can grow their own drones.

As far as First Contact goes, the Borg prolly figured why not give it a shot, although the whole idea of the Borg possessing time travel technology is a bit silly as they would be able to go when and wherever they want with basically no resistance. All they have to do is go to a time where any race poses no threat. IMO FC and voyager really took alot of scare factor out of the borg, mainly the queen, adding a queen was a mistake.

posted on August 26th, 2010, 10:42 am

Ever hear of test tube babies? You can bet the borg can grow their own drones.

of course they have the ability, but they dont do it, seven of nine explicitly said in VOY: Drone that the borg only assimilate, and do not make their own babies. and that maturation chambers are solely for assimilated children.

as for the borg villain decay happens a lot in sci fi. the borg star off as a threat then get weaker and weaker over time.

in stargate, the goauld start of as a huge threat, the jaffa are like tanks, their armour blocks rifle bullets etc. and staff weapons blow massive holes in metal blast doors and concrete etc.

later it only takes 1 bullet from a handgun to kill them and their staff weapons cant penetrate simple armour and do almost no damage. teal'c got hit in a season 10 ep with blast after blast and still kicked that bad guys arse.  in early seasons the jaffa were a competent fighting force, trained from a young age to be excellent warriors. in later seasons they are all idiots, rushing into certain death like lemmings. the jaffa/goauld suffered huge villain decay.

the same happened with the wraith in atlantis, at the start they took entire magazines to kill, later 1 or 2 handgun shots is enough 

at least their stunners didnt lose power , but then they only started life as stun weapons, so they werent gonna kill anyone anyway.

posted on August 26th, 2010, 10:48 am

Yeah, it happens to the best of them... except I think they justified the Jaffa killing by switching weapons to stronger ones.

posted on August 26th, 2010, 10:50 am

Yeah, it happens to the best of them... except I think they justified the Jaffa killing by switching weapons to stronger ones.

i can understand the p90 doing better than the mp5. but in the first ep we had them taking m16 fire.

also that doesnt explain how pistols are killing jaffa in 1 shot later on.