chayenne class mixed tech

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posted on October 25th, 2012, 11:42 pm
What does shape have to do with its ability to function? Does a circular nacelle move slower than a triangular one? Does a grey hull have better defence than a white one? Does a set of pylons pointing to the side then up have greater durability than diagonal ones? Does an engineering hull split into two generate more power? Is a circular saucer more fragile than oval one?

Variations over time is one thing, what Starfleet does is excessive with no other explanation other than "We felt like it". Better yet, how does the exterior shape make the tech inside become weaker?
posted on October 26th, 2012, 12:10 am
actually in some instances in the show it has been mentioned that shape can affect things like warp speed, hence warp field geometry, and thats a reason why voyager had variable geometry nacelles, also why old klingon bop had configurable wings, one configuration was better for faster travel. also composition of what makes the ships could have changed. in today's aircraft, certain paint can deflect radar, maybe starfleet found more sensor resistant materials, or materials that simply make the hull stronger. Although humanity does like its aesthetics. but there are plenty of reasons to change designs. phaser strips as opposed to phaser turrets for example, different tech often manifests itself in a physically different profile than its predecessors. WW II sherman tanks as opposed to the abrams of today. Its very plausible, at least for humans, if not sometimes slightly excessive. but romulan designs changed radically too. tos warbird to d'deridex is very different.
posted on October 26th, 2012, 12:18 am
I don't think that changing the look of the chayenne to adapt more to as described cannon look would b e a bad thing.

Just like the excelsior 2 and by the way the miranda 2 is also buildable in game and is a great addition to the feds in my oppinion.


Cosidering the prometheus class. That's right it is definetly a newer ship. But not on to do yet

Was it not planned as a special feature in the future or just map object?? Not shure anymore

I don't know about the role of the prometheus class?? That could be redefined :D
But I know that the prometheus unfortunately had a silly ability to split it self up in 3 slices. :(
posted on October 26th, 2012, 2:11 am
Tyler wrote:What does shape have to do with its ability to function? Does a circular nacelle move slower than a triangular one? Does a grey hull have better defence than a white one? Does a set of pylons pointing to the side then up have greater durability than diagonal ones? Does an engineering hull split into two generate more power? Is a circular saucer more fragile than oval one?

Variations over time is one thing, what Starfleet does is excessive with no other explanation other than "We felt like it". Better yet, how does the exterior shape make the tech inside become weaker?

Sure, some of it is going to be based on aesthetics, but to humour you let's take each point in turn.

Circular nacelle vs oval vs triangular -- the nacelles contain the warp coils that are the core of the ship's interactions with subspace. Over time the shape of warp coil elements will likely have changed as research is done into subspace field generation and manipulation. Also, shape will also be driven by the need for space for additional machinery, especially for the Bussard ramscoops that are a common feature of modern nacelles. There is some reuse of nacelle design amongst various classes, though -- Enterprise (refit) and Constellation share a nacelle design, for example; as well as Galaxy and Nebula classes.

Grey hull vs white hull -- new hull plating alloys were pioneered in the Miranda class that allowed the elimination of the grey thermocoat that had been a feature of starships for decades. This development simplified ship construction by eliminating the complicated and painstaking application process.

Nacelle pylon shape -- while ever-stronger materials have been developed for use in spaceframe construction, ship size has increased and commensurately nacelle weight, too. Pylon geometry is based on engineering analysis of the static and dynamic stresses that result.

Catamaran engineering hulls -- in the NX class, the split hull was a way to give the spaceframe the desired rigidity under stress. For the Akira class, the design was intended to provide a "harbour" area as the ship recovers its fighter.

Now, stepping away from the in-universe perspective, you do see commonality between ships of the same generation. The Miranda, refit-Enterprise, Constellation, and Excelsior classes are all obviously from the same time. The Nebula and Galaxy classes are first cousins, while the Ambassador is a perfectly reasonable intermediate stage between the Excelsior and Galaxy classes. While the graphic artists who put the designs together wanted the ships to look good, they've also been quite conscious of how the designs would change according to era and role; the designs aren't as capricious as you make them out to be.

Any Fleet Ops Cheyenne model should be close to what has been seen on-screen, else it's not the Cheyenne class. I wouldn't object to a successor class model like the current Miranda II and Excelsior II, but an actual Cheyenne class should be the canon Cheyenne model.

As for the Prometheus ... that's been argued about at length elsewhere. Long story short, the devs hate section separation (saucer sep on Galaxy; MVAM on Prometheus). The Galaxy is an awesome ship regardless of whether or not separation is included; MVAM was sort of the Prometheus' main trick, and the devs deciding that they weren't going to bother with it doomed the ship to the obscurity of "map object" status (it's present but not properly implemented as of 3.2.7, although it does have a nice model). The devs haven't shown any interest in changing this status quo.
posted on October 26th, 2012, 11:33 am
If looks is important, why is the Sovereign not inferior to the Galaxy? It has multiple features of older ships; like a round deflector and the swept-back nacelles from the Constitution. Same with the Akira/Intrepid having Constitution-style square nacelles.

When most 'improvments' are rehashes of old features, it's hard to buy the idea of them making it better. A FO-style Cheyenne-II does sound nice, though.

Tech manuals and fansites don't always match onscreen (like the Galaxy and Nebula's role, according to some).
posted on October 26th, 2012, 1:59 pm
well look at some cars nowadays, like the mustang. the new mustangs are reminiscent of the old ones from the 60s and 70s not the ones from the 80s 90s yet they are far superior than all those.
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