Cardassians in an alliance - noxter or Ciadan?

[Anonymous]

posted on May 18th, 2009, 6:51 pm

Last edited by Anonymous on May 18th, 2009, 6:57 pm, edited 1 time in total.

I know this topic has been beaten to death. However, I was recently mentioning the FO storyline in regards to the new movie, and Optec mentioned one extra detail in regards to our current storyline:

As the Cardassians are no longer a major stellar power and are not directly involved in the Fleet Operations storyline (they are important for the Noxter, therefore they will be major NP race) they are not included as a playable race.

I for one am not interested in controlling a full cardassian tech tree.
In canon, we have only seen 3 Cardassian warships - Hideki, Galor, and Keldon classes.
Of these, just the Galor and the Keldon are worth a look.

It is only these 2 that I for one would be interested in controlling and sending into battle.

That said, we already see an importance of the Cardassians to the Noxter aspect of the FO storyline. The Ciadan as such are unknown, but have been described as a more brutish species compared to the refined sleekness and technological finesse of the Iconians.

It is then here that I would venture a request.

Would it be too much of a stretch for us to see either a Noxter-Cardassian mixed AVATAR or a Ciadan-Cardassian mixed Avatar, along the same lines that we have the Breen-Dominion mixed tech avatar.


Based on the ventured storyline in regards to the Noxter, it has been stated that the Noxter hate the Dominion, and that the Jem are created from plundered Noxter raw material (like the Equinox utilized the aliens as raw material to optimize their engines).
The Cardassians have alos been burned by the Dominion - badly.
An alliance between 2 sides seeking retribution against a common enemy does not seem far-fetched.

On the other hand, one may wander that the Noxter are intended to be insects. Hence they do not communicate, and hence do not form alliances.

But it is still stated that the cardassians play a central role in the noxter storyline.

Given that we have a new race emerging - the Ciadan - a cardassian/Ciadan connection would also help weave them into the FO storyline instead of having the Ciadan introduced as some "appear from no where aliens".

The Iconians have a canon back story and I am fine with them.

The Ciadan have been described as a more brutish and technologically rugged race. If they were to have an Avatar that was a cardassian mixed tech avatar, that too would be a decent way to tie the Ciadan and noxter into the FO storyline more coherently.

Again - the only 2 classes we are looking at are the Galor and Keldon., and only 1 avatar that allows the player to visit controlling these ships (and their particularly unique specials as allowed by Ciadan or Noxter technology on cardy ships - sth that modding this mod cannot yield).

Would anyone be averse to this prospect? After all, a single mixed avatar on one of these races with only 2 ship classes would not be too far flung anyway.

Any comments or opinions?

posted on May 18th, 2009, 7:09 pm

Whee, my poor Ciadans called brutish.. well.. they are like kids somehow, playing with the small ant until killing it, but basically they are innocent, they dont plot evil plans to decimate populations.. it just happens accidentally! it wasnt there fault!

Well back to seriousness. The Ciadan and the Cardassians dont really fit together and the Cardassians wouldn't be so happy of an alliance. Under the line they would probably use the Ciadan to help them in their evil plans (They are more the evil plan type ) but sadly someone else was faster..

The Cardassians are important to the Noxter, as they actually discovered them, and there are links between the Cardassians and the Noxter.. well not all Noxter, but at least a few. The Noxter society is not very stable. There are some groups of Cardassian fanatics that cooperate with some Noxter later on in the FO story (arround 2400) but there is no real alliance, as the Noxter dont share the same values as most "humanoid microbes".

Once the Noxter come back, and later the Ciadan and Iconian races will be added, we will prepare much background information and stories for them in order to integrate them in the universe. We will do our best to bring you an exiting and interessting game and a nice universe to play in.

If there should ever be a 9th playable race, it will be the Cardassians but thats not even on todo till now, lets think about it for 5.0 or something

posted on May 18th, 2009, 7:14 pm

fair enough. Can't wait till version 5 then

posted on May 18th, 2009, 7:24 pm

the Cardassians will be included earlier and you will be able to control them, they will just not be available as a full playable race. So watch for Galors flying arround!

posted on May 18th, 2009, 7:33 pm

cool. thanks 

posted on May 18th, 2009, 9:05 pm

What about the non-canon Kessok from ST:BC? They actually mixed technologies with the Cardassians in that game, and a special ability of the Kessok solar former could be to blow up a sun, engulfing and destroying everything within a 10000 (insert size here) diameter.

posted on May 18th, 2009, 11:20 pm

the Cardassians will be included earlier and you will be able to control them, they will just not be available as a full playable race. So watch for Galors flying arround!

sweet i remember playing a cardassian mod for fo in the 3.0pr i believe. but it just replaced the breen.

[Anonymous]

posted on May 19th, 2009, 12:28 am

Last edited by Anonymous on May 19th, 2009, 12:31 am, edited 1 time in total.

honestly, I do not want a full Cardassian tech tree. Im content with the Galors and Keldons as those were on the show, and in playing FO the attraction is controlling the ships from the show. FO's color schemes and textures are the closest to the canon appearance and hence I am reluctant to mod a mod.

As long as Optec clarified the galor/keldon part, Im happy.

I honestly do not like seeing "invented" ships - although they are certainly necessary to fulfill mid-range ship roles, they do no present the "must have eye candy" that the canon ones do.

So as long as I get to see and control galors and keldons with a specific side or association (storyline) and not just as random mercenaries that are available to ALL sides, Im content .

posted on May 19th, 2009, 11:33 am

sweet i remember playing a cardassian mod for fo in the 3.0pr i believe. but it just replaced the breen.

They could be used as an addon rather than a replacement quite easily.

On Cardassian Ships, wouldn't they have the Hideki Class?

posted on May 19th, 2009, 8:53 pm

Even if the Cardys are teamed with any race it would make them weaker not stronger. The Cardys ships are basted on week tech witch would likely cost allot to make.

Any race how had them in there ranks would probably see them a problem rather then a asset.

posted on May 20th, 2009, 2:26 pm

The Cardassians are not very advanced, but they are very intelligent and cunning. How do you think they fought the more advanced & powerful Federation so well? They used tactics and numbers, just like the Talarians.

posted on May 21st, 2009, 12:16 am

With out the doman it would have bean even easer for the feds to over run the cardys then it was for the klingons how had to come from another sector of the galaxy.

The feds have more ships more friends and have closer bases to the cardys then the klingons did.

If you remember when the close of Riker showed up how easy it was to take out the galore class work horse of the cardys so easily.

posted on May 21st, 2009, 10:23 am

http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Cardassian#Technology

posted on May 21st, 2009, 9:55 pm

And wiki says Gorge W Bush ran against Kerry but no motion of WMD, It talks about his Texas Air National Guard service but dose not give a clear image of why he left so soon..

Its less inaccurate then it was but still passover huge gaps in what happened.

After reading that I learned how wiki can no be trusted as a accurate sores of information.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_W._Bush

memory-alpha.org is wiki

posted on May 21st, 2009, 11:26 pm

A wiki with very specific and enforced guidelines on what is accepted and what isn't. It is considered very reliable, and is quite different to the more 'relaxed' wikipedia.