Cardassian Hutet

posted on April 8th, 2005, 5:54 pm

Baron's got a point, we shouldn't flood the FO team with requests until after V3 is out. But i do think the Hutet should be in FO at some point however.

posted on April 8th, 2005, 6:43 pm

Is Galor or Keldon weak ??

Of course the cardies shouldnt be weak, I agree with u on that

posted on April 8th, 2005, 8:50 pm

Baron's got a point, we shouldn't flood the FO team with requests until after V3 is out. But i do think the Hutet should be in FO at some point however.

well... right now i feel like its never comin out. cause im sittin here waitin for the release _over one year_ now. and the FO team disappeared a few weeks ago.
and i think if we decide to wait with everything this forum will be dead soon.

posted on April 8th, 2005, 9:23 pm

Don't worry KLOK, i'm sure they'll talk soon. For all we know V3 could be released tomorrow. They might feel they're so close to release that they don't need to post.

Anyway, back on topic. The Galor and Keldon are not weak, they're pretty decent. In canon terms, a Galor is an even match for a Galaxy-class starship, and a Keldon is slightly more powerfull than that. They commonly operate in groups, using specialised tactics to keep the enemy supressed.

The hutet in canon would be probably twice, maybe thrice the power of a Galor, since its designed to hold its ground and fight alone instead of massed fleet tactics.

However, the ship would have to be balanced in game. I'd probably make it really slow, but give it lots of special devices (like a Tachyon grid and the repair bay for smaller ships idea) and make it cost lots of credits. I'd make the Keldon cost credits too, and give it some special devices aswell.

The objective is to make the Cardassians a fleet with lots of small light skirmishers (Your Hideki's, Norin's, Tonga's, Brinok's etc) with a main core of Galors, and then a few Keldon and Hutets to take out the worst the enemy could throw at them. This really shows the slightly weakened status the union is in, relaint on smaller ships, but still with a large enough force of Galors to cause some mayhem.

I reckon we could design the entire Cardassian tech tree right now. That'd certainly make the FO team consider them. If we do all the foundation work, then hand it to them when V3 is released, i'm sure they'll put them in.

[ewm90]

posted on April 8th, 2005, 9:46 pm

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well opect is probly bisy with geting reddy for scool doca cola got a personlal life hes foceted on. and i not she whats happing with detecter.

so it mite just be a brack if thay wher geting tiered of fo we whood here this whood be the final vertion. thay are realy close from what thay have sed it whood be silly to stop it naw. or that big bug thay have is real taking all thare enagry to fix.

my feer justifiyed or not is that thay hit that bug and fawned it cood not be fixed. but thay are very very smart pepal i sher thay will figer it out.


the hutet class is very valibal it make the cordesons a mager player with out it thare bigest ship is like that keldon i think thats the one i am thinking of.

thay need a realy big ship all the uther rages have some thing the feds have one the kligons have ships stronger the borg most defanitly the roms have one and the doms have some strong ships.

with out the htet the cardys with out a dawt will be low on fier pawer with will make tham allmost impadent when it comes to fites.

it all comes dawn to realy do you wont to see the cardys as a mager player or not.


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posted on April 8th, 2005, 11:39 pm

T-man you're way off in your characterization of the relative strengths of the cardassian ships. The reason that game invented the hutet in the first place is because the galor is approximately equivalent to a steamrunner, and the keldon is much more survivable but has about the same weapons. As seen in DS9, any ship cruiser size and up can pretty much waste its Cardassian counterpart. Cardassian technology has never been quite up to par with the rest of the Alpha quadrant.

In fact there's a pretty famous scene in DS9 where a galaxy flies right between two galors and vaporizes both of them in about 10 seconds.


BARON: I understand your concerns and agree whole-heartedly, this is something for V4 or later. As you said the Cardies are NPC, and really only need hidekis, galors and maybe keldons.

posted on April 9th, 2005, 2:14 am

you dont have to make the game 100% relaistic its just a game. and i think the cadesons cood be cool in the game you cood make up that the cadesons have upgraded thare tecnolagy from help from the romulans. sins cardys and romulans seem to get along for the most part. some thing cood be made up.

posted on April 9th, 2005, 3:52 am

you dont have to make the game 100% relaistic its just a game.

You're right, it really depends what the designers are trying to accomplish.

posted on April 9th, 2005, 7:54 am

coolhandab, you are correct. In fact, i remember the Galor being called a crusier class, so in AII they were grossly overpowered in canon terms (but that's AII for ya ). Compared to Starfleet, they would probably be more at the Heavy Crusier level, with the Keldon possibly being just qualifiable for light Battleship.

If the team are thinking of just a three ship Cardie fleet (Hideki, Galor and Keldon) then that'll do for now. Maybe later in another release they can replace this with a fuller Cardassian tech tree if public demand is big enough.

Ewm90, i agree that relations between Roms and Cardys have always been quite strong. However, it would most likely be somewhat strained considering they were on opposite sides during the Dominion War. However, it is likely they'll quickly rebuild their relations.

As for the Hutet, perhaps it is too grossly overpowered for a NPC race. However, if later a full Cardassian race is made for a V4 or an expansion (which considering public demand is a big possibility) then it might be a definite winner.

posted on April 9th, 2005, 9:20 am

As for the Hutet, perhaps it is too grossly overpowered for a NPC race. However, if later a full Cardassian race is made for a V4 or an expansion (which considering public demand is a big possibility) then it might be a definite winner.

Absolutely right, but that is still far far away

you dont have to make the game 100% relaistic its just a game.

But if they are making a star trek game, why make up new ships if there are so many to use left
And u wont even be able to use this ship, so I agree with that they could come in as a "regular" race in later versions, IF the public demand if huge enough

[ewm90]

posted on April 9th, 2005, 3:09 pm

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Absolutely right, but that is still far far away





But if they are making a star trek game, why make up new ships if there are so many to use left   
And u wont even be able to use this ship, so I agree with that they could come in as a "regular" race in later versions, IF the public demand if huge enough

whay put it as a exspation if you gona put it on put it in. it cood get messy if you make a exspations be cuss when you go to play on line one person how has the exspation instoled and a nuther how duss not it will not let you play to gether in a online game.


well if you look at the nuber of ships uther races have and you look at haw meny ships the cardys have thare is a big difrants. the Hutet is prity well know and alot of pepal like it the cardys will need lots of fier paer if thay are gona take on uther mager races.
doca all ready add some new unofishal ships in to the game for the bog feds klingons romulans and dominon. i think it whood not be two bad if thare are new ships for the cardys two.

[The Black Baron]

posted on April 10th, 2005, 5:30 am

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If there is only a regular cardassian race in the expansion I guarantee everyone will dl it, I do not see the reason why not :-S


But u really dont get what Im saying THE CARDASSIAN EMPIRE WILL BE A NON-PLAYER RACE ONLY and for that they have enough ships already, if they infect do become a regular race than OK, but discuss this then


Its the same as I would find some ferengi ship(s) and would be discussing about making the game, when ferengi have no real importance :S

posted on April 10th, 2005, 11:59 am

yep i agree with baron, cardys have enough ships as a none-player race, and i think it's dumb to make up ships, since it crashes the realism in the game

posted on April 11th, 2005, 12:55 am

If that's the case about having too many ships, why do all other games have ficticious ships of their own?

posted on April 11th, 2005, 1:06 am

name 2 games