Breen full race?

posted on July 7th, 2009, 7:38 pm

I was thinking the Fo team is adding new breen ships in the game why not make them a easy new race that operates much like domain most of the ships are done for the domain it would not take allot of work and you would have a easy new race.

You would keep the domain as they are just have the breen couture parts available too.

Not much work big pay off. 

posted on July 7th, 2009, 8:05 pm

Personally, I would love to see a Breen full race, as I favor keeping factions separate where possible (although the Breen avatar doesn't bother me too much in Fleet Ops, since it's so limited) and I think the Breen are damn cool even though I'm not big on the Dominion itself (c'mon, Weyoun looks stupid and the Founders are just weird  ).

Buuuut first I'd like to see FO go wherever its makers intend it, with the Noxter and the Ciadan and even (sigh) the Iconians. They've been bringing us a kickass mod for some years now and I sure don't expect it to get any worse 

posted on July 7th, 2009, 8:16 pm

Likely being one of the biggest Breen fanatics on this planet, I can say I'd love the Breen as a full race. They've already been confirmed as an NPC race so the odds are very low of that happening. 

posted on July 7th, 2009, 8:19 pm

The Breen are a minor regional power, full-race status wouldn't suit them because of that.

posted on July 7th, 2009, 8:31 pm

The Breen are a minor regional power, full-race status wouldn't suit them because of that.

They were major enough to launch a raid against Earth without being concerned with the repercussions. That's gutsy.

[Tyler]

posted on July 7th, 2009, 8:43 pm

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They knew that the Federation was virtually defenceless because of the Energy Dampener. It isn't that gutsy when you know the enemy are nearly incapable of fighting back, makes them more cowardly.

It'll also take more than one advanced weapon to make an Empire 'major'.

posted on July 7th, 2009, 11:26 pm

the klingons regarded the breen as dangerous, they lost an invasion fleet to them.  they also operated out of their territory when they had that moon operation where kira went too.

im pretty sure the dampening weapon came after the attack on earth.  the earth invasion was right after they were introduced the dampening weapons were shown in the season finale since the defiant was destroyed.  i might be wrong since tis been so long since ive seen those episoded but i think thats the order.

posted on July 8th, 2009, 1:26 am

Also, i remember something from somewhere saying that the breen "lost half their invasion fleeto to earth defenses" so yeah i'd say that they could even beat earth defenses is pretty good. (think star trek equivalent of 500 torp turrets then imagine the breen fleet that you need to wipe that out)

posted on July 8th, 2009, 2:15 am

I think it would be nice to see the Breen as a full race. I really like their ship designs, and their look is interesting. Plus, the Breen do show in Star Trek Conquest, and Star Trek Encounters as a very serious and strong race with mighty warships capable of defeating plenty of other very powerful enemies. Yay for Breen! *Random Electronic Garble* 

posted on July 8th, 2009, 2:59 am

The Breen are fully capable of taking on any of the major races. The reason many people tend to not consider them a major threat is why the Breen are so successful. No one ever pays attention to them (I do recall a very famous quote from a very famous trek character saying to never turn your back on a Breen). While everyone engages in direct war and slowly wastes away their numbers in trek canon, the Breen happily sit back behind their lines and build up their fleet. This is how they were suddenly able to strike at Earth with a seemingly massive fleet. Not counting the Xindi which attacked Earth when humanity had no defensive systems, the Breen so far are the only race to ever successfully attack and destroy their target on what is considered one of the most heavily defended planets in the Trek universe. If that in itself doesn't prove the Breen are a powerful race then I don't know what else could. 

posted on July 8th, 2009, 3:44 am

I have actually add the breen as a "mini race" with a couple of home made mods... eh it's not exactly fun and there is no AI for it but it's fully playable.... ( except the supply thing ) I could get it working again and upload it... it's just odf file nothing fancy but it's kinda neat to check out. 

posted on July 8th, 2009, 4:03 am

  ive actually considered earth to be relatively easy to attack.  first its attacked by the voyager probe, then some whale singing machine and the remans almost got to earth with that scimitar vessel.  course i think thats probably true for all races,  since the romulans had a BoP circling their home planet and never detected it.

posted on July 8th, 2009, 5:29 am

and then you look at the Dominion Occupied Cardassia and see multiple starbases, hundreds of turrets and of course, thousands of ships as they all converged in one place .

posted on July 8th, 2009, 6:52 am

and then you look at the Dominion Occupied Cardassia and see multiple starbases, hundreds of turrets and of course, thousands of ships as they all converged in one place .

Guess that's the difference between a military base and a less expansionist power's homeworld...not to say Earth is undefended, but defense falls largely to home fleets (one of which was destroyed at Wolf 359, another one of which was torn in half by the Breen attack force).

posted on July 8th, 2009, 8:49 am

Hey TUN i think youre dead wrong. The major powers in the southern quadrants have been the UFP, the KE and the RSE... They've made that clear for 4 series. Secondary powers included the Cardassians, Tzenkethi, Tholians, Breen etc. The Breen only had any affect on the Dom War because of their energy dissipating weapon. Remember as soon as that was cracked the 3Powers were on the inexorable offensive once again.  The Breen's gimmick having been depleted made them a secondary power again. Their ships are advanced, but nothing too extreme. Using a little bio-tech in your ships, doesn't automatically make them superior. As for the assault on earth, it was a Doolittle raid. It was never about doing damage, just a morale victory. If you read a little deeper in the non-cannon (novels, not fannon) sources, the attack was only made possible by the actions of a saboteur who managed to disable the planetary shield, the planet based defenses and had actually taken control of the orbital defense platforms. Using the orbital platforms he destroyed several ships... The Ent-E, the Republic (StarFleet Academy training ship), and a couple ships who had been in repair docks managed to fight off the capital ships before they were even in weapons range of the earth... The only ships that made it to actually hit the planet were small atmosphere capable fighters. They inflicted some damage to the city of San Fran, to the orbital docks and some of the infrastructure in orbit. But nothing too bad, they focused very narrowly on StarFleet Command. Apparently they did some dmg to Paris too, but the ships were destroyed before hitting the Palais de la Concorde. Overall like i said the attack was a Doolittle raid. Had they really wanted to impress and do devastating dmg, they should have gone for Utopia Planetia, one of the largest UFP fleet yards. Overall i'd rate the Breen as a xenophobic bunch without the gall for real war. The defenses of Earth would take a years long siege to crack if not for a changeling infiltrator who managed to do the incredible. Overload the power grid for a continent and a half, and crack the codes for the orbital defense grid... Very impressive, but not a Breen action.

Hey Phoenix, I'd have to disagree with you too... Lets look at some of the numbers... Martok promised 2000, ships he could add to the border with the cardassians in a pale moonlight, after the fed/rom fleets were forced out of the front line because of the aforementioned breen. He stressed that additional fleet would still be out numbered 20 to 1(1500 to 30000) and on the whole front klingons would be outnumbered 7 to 1 (4250  ships to  30000).Okay lets say the klingons are very reckless and commit as much as 2/3rds of their complete fleet to that one front (no reason really to beleive that, lets just work with this as a bare minimum size for the KDF). So that would give us 6500 ships for the Klingons total. The KE had engaged in a big conflict with cardassia, 2 years of the dominion war itself, and lacks the military industrial complex that the federation does. So i'd say that the UFP has at least that many ships. Puts Wolf 359 into context a little better no? The losses at Wolf 359, were just what the UFP could pull from border patrol, and planetary guard duties in just a couple days.

Besides the books make it clear Earth has some bad-ass defenses. Planet based heavy weaponry, the weapons of the orbital stations, including the 8mile tall Spacedock, the orbital defense grid, of which one satellite was a challenge for the Ent-E, lastly it had an actual planetary shield (since at least ST4)... So yea, i'd say its a world able to sustain being sieged for months. That the UFP has been at war with powers with cloaks before i think goes to show us that a simple attack would be futile, you needed to have some way to bring down the shield, the grid, and ensure the space dock wasnt on the right side of the planet. Also the home guard fleet not being near-bye is good too... We've seen that the admiralty is pretty bad that, they left Betazed unguarded to run a wargame, and thats when the Dominion took the world...

I'm probably in the minority here too, but i really really doubt that the size of Star Fleet (considering how many admirals we've seen, and the immense size of the UFP) is anything less that 15,000 starships at normal operating levels... During war footing, maybe triple that in the whole federation. I also feel that the UFP is very defensive with its ship deployment (remember Sisko having to argue, beg, please, cry to get the offensive to retake DS9). Remember by the time of Kirk Humans already had at least a thousand colony worlds. Lets assume humans are the out lier in making that many colonies in the UFP. With 154 member races and each has like 60 colonies and the human 1000, that means the UFP has over 9000 planets to draw officers and crew from in members alone (not counting protectorates, and other lesser things). The UFP is huge, and humans are rabbit like breeders. Lets be real though Vulcans and Andorians have been in space since at least the 9th century BC, so i doubt they dont also have a huge number of colonies.