Assimilating ships provide CCs

posted on December 30th, 2010, 4:56 pm

delete the assimilator all together.

i like the assim

posted on December 30th, 2010, 8:03 pm

I like this idea too.

[TChapman500]

posted on December 30th, 2010, 8:05 pm

Last edited by TChapman500 on December 30th, 2010, 8:30 pm, edited 1 time in total.

The only vessel that can have more than 1 holding module is the cube.  If we replace the holding module with the assimilation module, we can change how the Borg assimilate other vessels.

Example:
The sphere can have up to 1 assimilation module (currently called "holding module").  That grants the sphere 2 specials.  The holding beam, which will prevent a vessel from escaping and drains the shields, and a crew assimilator, which will assimilate crew at a steady rate, and give collective connections at a steady rate.

The diamond would get the same ability with it's assimilation module except the crew assimilator would be a lot less effective than the one on the sphere.

The cube would only get the crew assimilator when it has more than 1 assimilation module.  The cube would have the most effective crew assimilator when given 3 assimilation modules.

The pyramid would have about the best assimilation abilities of all of the vessels with only assimilation modules installed.

None of the holding beams would transport drones to the enemy vessels.  They would just make sure that the vessels don't escape.

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By the way, I just tested this, and the holding beam will not drain the shields even with the damageMode set to the correct value.  This will need to be changed in order for this to work.

Edit:
The Assimilator could still be of some value, but not as much as the stronger vessels.

posted on December 30th, 2010, 8:25 pm

You never cease to amaze me TCR 

posted on December 30th, 2010, 8:32 pm

Indeed...wow.

posted on December 30th, 2010, 8:38 pm

I sorta like the idea. it would reduce the numbe of Borg hull types, something good because they dont have that much variety on hull types (a point of the race).

The bigger the hull type, the better the assim beam it can get, make the holding beam be a very slow spec energy drain or no drain at all for  the largest hulls (make it take special energy for assim beam cubes) and have a drain rate dependent on hull type for smaller ships. Probe, 30 seconds of use tops, scube seconds tops. Prehaps make it even less than that, since it would give borg a big advantage. Probe gets no bonus in this respect. Prehaps make this a tech center upgrade.

posted on December 30th, 2010, 9:56 pm

they dont have that much variety on hull types (a point of the race).

pure conjecture, just cos we didnt see more chassis types doesnt mean they dont exist. if u only see a leopard with 12 spots you cant extrapolate that every leopard has 12 spots.

just as if u see a white man and a black man, u cant assume all humans are white or black.

we only saw a handful of romulan ships....

sorry rhienn, shrike, generix, leahval, griffin, serkas, cehlaer, eresis, tavara, fakairu and mogai, you all have to go home cos tokra dont think you exist.

posted on December 30th, 2010, 10:39 pm

With the Roms we see their ships evolve thru time, and we at least get the impression that they have more we dont see, as they just send their biggest out to be seen (warbirds).

Borg ships seen:

Tactical Cube
Cube
Diamond
Sphere
Borg Type 03 (Auto Assimilator AKA flops Adapter)
Probe
Scout Cube (AKA Hugh's ship

Now, the type 03 (starfleets designation) looks to me like it may just have been an assimilated ship, station, several ships, or a combination of those.



However all of that would fit in the way the Borg are characterized.

They dont do small for the most part (the canon scube has a crew of 5 so they CAN do small).

Personaly I say ditch the ships made for games for the borg, for the most part, and go for cannon.

That would be a problem if going for a cannon scube however as the low crew would be a problem however, unless the borg get some sort of transporter immunity unless damaged. Prehaps give them shields with a pretty good regen rate, which pop back on pretty fast upon loss, but have sheild protection = 0.01 or some such, so the shield does almost no protection, just prevents transport without damage being done first, and set the shield systems hitpoints low, so the system is knocked out first.

As for transwarp, assim beams, and all of that, the borg are not unique, so I think all ships should have the same options for the most part (execpt were logic says no, such as putting auto assim or holding beams on ships with very low crew compliments) but the result of those options depends on vessel.


Just my personal opionion on part of what to do, but those ARE the only canon borg ships.

posted on December 30th, 2010, 10:50 pm

The Borg optimize their vessels by using the same vessel type for different purposes.  It wouldn't make since for them to have so many vessel types.  The scout cube, probe, sphere, adaptor, diamond, and cube are really all the the Borg need.

The scout cube only has five drones and doesn't have room for any redundant systems.  Excellent use of resources for scouting.  But it cannot take on more than a couple of extra drones.  Which means, it can't assimilate.

The probe seems to be a stronger version of the scout cube, but with more room for redundant systems and a complement of several hundred drones.  Except it can assimilate other vessels whereas the scout cube cannot.  If it comes under attack, at least this scout can give you a run for your ship.

The sphere seems to be used for the same purpose as the cube, but with a smaller hangar bay than the cube.  It's diameter is about 5 times the length of the Intrepid and carries quite the arsenal.  These seem to be used for light tactical assignments and scouting high-threat areas.

The adaptor is very controversial.  I (personally) think it was an assimilated vessel that had a geometry that the Borg found useful for special assignments that other vessels cannot do.  It attacked the Enterprise-D as a renegade vessel and was suggested by the Borg as a method of fighting Species-8472 by being constructed as an ultra-high-yield mine.

The diamond seems to be the flagship of the Borg fleet.  Used rarely, even if used for special assignments.  It was only seen when 7 of 9 went with the Borg on a special assignment and to chase-down the Delta Flyer in a transwarp conduit.  It's probably not a chassis that the Borg use at all except for a display of art.

The cube seems to be used for most of the Borg missions and has two main variants.  The tactical cube seems to be used as a patrol vessel, but is only seen once.  Probably while on a routine patrol route when it was intercepted.  Otherwise, the Borg use the standard cube for most of their missions.

Each "chassis" could have different variants depending on the purpose that the vessel is being used for.  Making these few vessels very versatile and not needing very many chassis to suite the needs of the collective.

One more thing.  Wasn't the Tavara featured in the Nemesis movie?

posted on December 30th, 2010, 10:54 pm

The Borg optimize their vessels by using the same vessel type for different purposes.  It wouldn't make since for them to have so many vessel types.  The scout cube, probe, sphere, adaptor, diamond, and cube are really all the the Borg need.

The scout cube only has five drones and doesn't have room for any redundant systems.  Excellent use of resources for scouting.  But it cannot take on more than a couple of extra drones.  Which means, it can't assimilate.

The probe seems to be a stronger version of the scout cube, but with more room for redundant systems and a complement of several hundred drones.  Except it can assimilate other vessels whereas the scout cube cannot.  If it comes under attack, at least this scout can give you a run for your ship.

The sphere seems to be used for the same purpose as the cube, but with a smaller hangar bay than the cube.  It's diameter is about 5 times the length of the Intrepid and carries quite the arsenal.  These seem to be used for light tactical assignments and scouting high-threat areas.

The adaptor is very controversial.  I (personally) think it was an assimilated vessel that had a geometry that the Borg found useful for special assignments that other vessels cannot do.  It attacked the Enterprise-D as a renegade vessel and was suggested by the Borg as a method of fighting Species-8472 by being constructed as an ultra-high-yield mine.

The diamond seems to be the flagship of the Borg fleet.  Used rarely, even if used for special assignments.  It was only seen when 7 of 9 went with the Borg on a special assignment and to chase-down the Delta Flyer in a transwarp conduit.  It's probably not a chassis that the Borg use at all except for a display of art.

The cube seems to be used for most of the Borg missions and has two main variants.  The tactical cube seems to be used as a patrol vessel, but is only seen once.  Probably while on a routine patrol route when it was intercepted.  Otherwise, the Borg use the standard cube for most of their missions.

Each "chassis" could have different variants depending on the purpose that the vessel is being used for.  Making these few vessels very versatile and not needing very many chassis to suite the needs of the collective.

One more thing.  Wasn't the Tavara featured in the Nemesis movie?

Room for 1 more in this magical dream world of yours.

posted on December 30th, 2010, 11:10 pm

The adaptor is very controversial.  I (personally) think it was an assimilated vessel that had a geometry that the Borg found useful for special assignments that other vessels cannot do.  It attacked the Enterprise-D as a renegade vessel and was suggested by the Borg as a method of fighting Species-8472 by being constructed as an ultra-high-yield mine.

Um, what are you talking about, what mine ? That never happend in it's only Canon apperance, which was in TNG, before 8472.


As for the Tavara, no TCR, the Norekan looks nothing like the Tavara. The Norexan  was what was seen in Nemesis as the Romulan ships that the picard clone took out of the fight in like 1 minute.

posted on December 30th, 2010, 11:21 pm

I love the places these threads go 

posted on December 30th, 2010, 11:27 pm

Um, what are you talking about, what mine ? That never happend in it's only Canon apperance, which was in TNG, before 8472.

The Borg themselves displayed a graphic of the ship and called it a multi-kinetic neutronic mine in 'Scorpion'.


Anyway, back on-topic, I like the idea of getting CC's for assimilated ships...I mean, the more ships in the Collective, the more powerful it becomes.....

posted on December 30th, 2010, 11:29 pm

The Borg themselves displayed a graphic of the ship and called it a multi-kinetic neutronic mine in 'Scorpion'.


Anyway, back on-topic, I like the idea of getting CC's for assimilated ships...I mean, the more ships in the Collective, the more powerful it becomes.....

Ah ok, I didnt remember that one (if I even saw it, it was about then that I stoped watching Voyager. Kes was intersting. 7 was boobs. I want those I has internets).

posted on December 30th, 2010, 11:44 pm

but those ARE the only canon borg ships.

big D, valdore type, science ship, and scout that looks like talon. Those ARE the only canon romulan ships. (scimitar was reman).

if we can add to canon roms we can add to canon borg.

why do the borg not have other ships while the roms do?