an idea: The delta flyer

posted on January 20th, 2010, 8:54 pm

it did a huge amount of damage to a cube once, disabling several systems

posted on January 20th, 2010, 8:56 pm

In Voyager, what couldn't?

posted on January 20th, 2010, 9:04 pm

the bo'mar

the borg did suffer huge villain decay though. espec after 8472.

a side note: the borg never learned how to make nanoprobe warheads. voyager never let the collective have any. its possible seven told the borg how they work when voyager came back to normal space and chakotay electrocuted her. this causes several problems on both possibilities:

[glow=red,2,300]Borg didn't get nanoprobe weapons[/glow]

1) they would try very hard to assimilate voyager and steal the weapons so they could continue attacking 8472

2) they would have found out when seven temporarily rejoined the borg in dark frontier.

3) they would have found out when they assimilated tuvok in unimatrix zero.

4) in "In the Flesh" janeway could have just told 8472 that the borg still couldn't fight back and 8472 would probably have resumed their attacks, janeway could use the argument that the borg may eventually adapt or assimilate some technology to fight 8472, at which time the borg would attempt to assimilate 8472 again.

[glow=red,2,300]The borg did know[/glow]

1) why didn't they attack 8472 again, those weapons were great.

posted on January 20th, 2010, 9:11 pm

They might have attacked 8472 off-screen (how much did we see of the Collective activities between then and their next appearance?).

They may not have considered it worth it to try and wipe out 8472; 8472 ships can kill Borg as fast as the Nanite warheads could kill them, it would only be a matter of time before they remember that. Even in Voyager, the Borg can think straight once every blue moon.

[RedEyedRaven]

posted on January 20th, 2010, 9:28 pm

Last edited by RedEyedRaven on January 20th, 2010, 9:39 pm, edited 1 time in total.

heavily armed shuttle is way better then just a weak scoutship , i think it's can fill the role of scoutship and heavily armed shuttle.

So... and... you know what?
Risner actually has something for you: The Avalon! Take it, hold it, love it. Take a few Ventures along with it, and you actually have what you stated.

The DF is dead to me.

Edit: Why the Avalon? Well.. The fighters of the Avalon are "heavily armed shuttles", namely fighters and the relationship between them and the carrier is the same as the one between Voyager and DF.

posted on January 20th, 2010, 10:25 pm

I still say that runabouts would better than a delta flyers... 

posted on January 20th, 2010, 10:27 pm

I still say that runabouts would better than a delta flyers... 

You should have a look at Zeich's blog...

posted on January 20th, 2010, 10:32 pm

oh no trust me I have. .  Thats why I suggested it in the first place

posted on January 20th, 2010, 10:35 pm

Why suggesting somethin that will appear anyways? 

posted on January 20th, 2010, 10:54 pm

He's not Raven, he's just saying they'd look better which is true.

posted on January 20th, 2010, 11:03 pm

He's not Raven, he's just saying they'd look better which is true.

That it looks better is nothing you will have to remind me of

I just seem to have misunderstood what the Adm. meant

posted on January 20th, 2010, 11:15 pm

Aaha, sorry i sounded quite aggressive then, apologies. 

posted on January 21st, 2010, 5:23 pm

They might have attacked 8472 off-screen (how much did we see of the Collective activities between then and their next appearance?).

They may not have considered it worth it to try and wipe out 8472; 8472 ships can kill Borg as fast as the Nanite warheads could kill them, it would only be a matter of time before they remember that. Even in Voyager, the Borg can think straight once every blue moon.

i doubt the borg attacked 8472 off screen as in "in the flesh" 8472 were more worried about the fedrats

your point about the borg being scared of 8472 is invalid, as we saw voyager using the nanprobe nuke (just after they came back into normal space and an 8472 fleet followed them) and it disabled the bioships almost instantly, if janeway hadn't hesitated in ordering tuvok to fire then 8472 wouldn't have even fired. plus the borg had that multi-kinetic (technobabble) mine that could take out bioships from lightyears away, the emh could make enough nanoprobes to arm that bomb in weeks i think it was, then the borg could definitely arm several in less time.

i guess its not beyond belief that the borg didn't want to risk it again. they did lose a lot of the collective. my own opinion is that the borg didn't have access to the modified nanoprobes. but that causes the first list of problems i gave.