an idea: The delta flyer

posted on January 20th, 2010, 7:58 pm

well . this mod happens after voyager returns home right? cause the venture class is so underpowerewd and i'm reading a new a book  of star trek from the titan series and it appears the delta flyer class of ships is wildly distributed at ships starfleet circa 2381.

why not replace the boring venture with the new delta flyer?

posted on January 20th, 2010, 8:02 pm

1. Starfleet doesn't replace ships until they are out-of-date and updates cannot keep up or they cost far too much to be built at present.

2. Venture = Scoutship. Delta Flyer = Heavily-armed Shuttle. They don't serve the same purpose.

posted on January 20th, 2010, 8:04 pm

Likewise, I'm not so certain that the Delta Flyer would be a welcome addition to replace the Venture... seeing as its stats just fluctuated from episode to episode of Voyager  :sweatdrop:

posted on January 20th, 2010, 8:06 pm

Also, FO takes place 20 years after the Dominion war.  This is slightly different from what you describe, Shostak, because Voyager is still in the Delta Quadrant where she belongs (I'm not what you call a Voyager fan.  Sorry if I offend. ).  So in this case, the Delta Flyer wouldn't be back home for Starfleet to study.

posted on January 20th, 2010, 8:07 pm

Even if it was in, the only place it could possibly fit is the Federation/Borg mixed-tech yard.

posted on January 20th, 2010, 8:09 pm

heavily armed shuttle is way better then just a weak scoutship , i think it's can fill the role of scoutship and heavily armed shuttle.

posted on January 20th, 2010, 8:11 pm

Scoutships aren't meant to be fighters, though. Their system space is taken up by enhanced sensors. Ships have their set roles, and scouts aren't supposed to fight. Its weapons are a last resort.

If we started combining roles like that, then almost every Starfleet ship would function as both warship and scoutship.

posted on January 20th, 2010, 8:29 pm

i agree that the delta flyer is not a scout.

maybe the fed-borg mixed tech yard could have an avalon class that launches delta flyers, with higher stats than peregrines. and maybe a borg passive for the avalon itself, such as beam damage resistance. or if you want to give it a serious edge, maybe some armour, or a borg weapon and some higher stats. this would only apply to risner of course.

maybe mayson could directly build a group of 3 delta flyers to defend the mixed tech yard a bit.

posted on January 20th, 2010, 8:33 pm

Also, FO takes place 20 years after the Dominion war.  This is slightly different from what you describe, Shostak, because Voyager is still in the Delta Quadrant where she belongs (I'm not what you call a Voyager fan.  Sorry if I offend. ).  So in this case, the Delta Flyer wouldn't be back home for Starfleet to study.

The Dominion war ended in early 2376, while Voyager returned to Earth in 2378 (with the aid of a Transwarp hub). Voyager was back long before the events of FO

I think the Delta Flier could have a place in FO as a Borg Mixed Tech unit since it was designed with Borg tech, including it's sensors. Canonically, it could serve as both a heavy fighter and a scout as it was throughout Voyager. If implemented, I'd give it to Rizla (or Rimmer or whoever she is) as she is the one that uses fighters.

Ideally, I'd see the Delta Flier as a supporting vessel that could be linked to a fleet, with a primary focus of shooting down torpedoes and skirmishing with smaller ships.

Stats wise, I'm not so sure. In some cases the Delta Flier seemed to be pretty weak and at other times it could take on tactical cubes and all sorts. Maybe a touch better than the Venture .

posted on January 20th, 2010, 8:37 pm

The Dominion war ended in early 2376, while Voyager returned to Earth in 2378 (with the aid of a Transwarp hub). Voyager was back long before the events of FO

I'm sure someone said the timeline split before Voyager returned.

I think the Delta Flier could have a place in FO as a Borg Mixed Tech unit since it was designed with Borg tech, including it's sensors. Canonically, it could serve as both a heavy fighter and a scout as it was throughout Voyager. If implemented, I'd give it to Rizla (or Rimmer or whoever she is) as she is the one that uses fighters.

Voyager always used it to carry people and augment Voyager's strength (similar to how Star Wars uses fighters), I don't remember it scouting...

posted on January 20th, 2010, 8:43 pm

The "split" is not a definitive split. It is simply a mixing and choosing of what parts of Voyager etc to keep, and what not to. Consequently, Voyager still returned in the Fleet Ops timeline

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posted on January 20th, 2010, 8:45 pm

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i agree that the delta flyer is not a scout.

maybe the fed-borg mixed tech yard could have an avalon class that launches delta flyers, with higher stats than peregrines. and maybe a borg passive for the avalon itself, such as beam damage resistance. or if you want to give it a serious edge, maybe some armour, or a borg weapon and some higher stats. this would only apply to risner of course.

I like this idea, but I think both avatars should have it.  likewise, i think risners shouls have an added benefit, like stronger fighters, or increased launch rate.

really, I think it would be more likely to have runabouts launch as a mixed tech benefit.  why would anyone standardize something built by tom paris, and something with manual controls.

posted on January 20th, 2010, 8:49 pm

maybe mayson could directly build a group of 3 delta flyers to defend the mixed tech yard a bit.

  Because clearly Mayson needs more help! 

posted on January 20th, 2010, 8:51 pm

  Because clearly Mayson needs more help!  

it would be less for mayson as he wouldnt get the avalon

posted on January 20th, 2010, 8:53 pm

Those dates were ripped straight from Memory Alpha. There was the infamous "timetravel" quirk which the writers seemed to use to justify anything, involved in the final episode. Essentially, the future Janeway traveled back in time to convince the present Janeway to head for a Borg Transwarp Hub and tempted her with future technology to aid the cause. Present Janeway managed to simultaneously ruin the Borg, get Voyager home and destroy the Hub all in the space of two episodes.

Meanwhile, back home, Starfleet were bricking it at the emergence of a Borg Sphere in Federation space and were dumbfounded when Voyager single handedly one-shotted it from the inside out.

I believe it had a few solo missions away from Voyager, for various mission roles. Can't remember precise episodes but in any case, with the Borg inspired gubins inside it, I can't see it being weaker than a Venture in any respect.