A new Suggestion for the Dominion

posted on August 31st, 2010, 5:01 pm

After the last matches I got some ideas for the Dominion. Just to throw in some ideas (to make Fleetops even more uberawesome!):)

1.) Diversifying Dominion Research
Moving "special weapon"- research to the prototypes

1.1 Special Weapons
The 1st Research facility researches only the "theoretical aspect", then each prototype has to research (=upgrade its system) the "physical" aspect of that technology
      - Research costs halved (split between all stations prototypes and research) Thus, it may be a bit cheaper to get a particular special weapon than it is now
      - No-Tier restriction for Dominion support ships (thus a C11 could cast cascade feedback directly after upgrading the prototype) to compensate for the additional micromanagement
        (The Founders are quick to adapt to (or foresee!) the development on the battlefield)
      - Fail-Chance for the "physical upgrade": Research gets time penalty, one/two subsystems disabled
      - Prototypes may use their special weapons (maybe with increased special energy cost?)
      - After losing prototypes, no new ship can use the special weapon

1.2 System Upgrades
The 1st Research facility grants access to Tier-1 shipupgrades (shields, weapons, lifesupport, speed), the 2nd facility researches Tier-2 Shipupgrades
      - Maybe: Research cheaper for Puretech

=> I hope that doesn't nerf the dominion to much.


2.) Diversifying Breen

2.1 Make "Breen Cruiser"-Prototpye cheaper. Adjust Dilithium/Trilithium to support ratio. It strikes me odd that the Breen's very own design has to be prototyped and that they would use the white

2.2 Give Veteran-Bugs a dampening type weapon (they tried to mount one on a bug on the shows)

2.3 Give the T15 (or) Bomber a toggle-able longrange-Breen type torpedo at veteran level (as an alternative for the tetryon torpedo)

=> I usually end up not using any of the Breen stuff

posted on September 1st, 2010, 12:01 pm

Some very cool ideas here I think. Really like the idea of researching special weapons on prototypes.

posted on September 3rd, 2010, 11:55 am

"2.1 Make "Breen Cruiser"-Prototpye cheaper. Adjust Dilithium/Trilithium to support ratio. It strikes me odd that the Breen's very own design has to be prototyped and that they would use the white"

Maybe that would help during supply shortage (even though that issue never occurred to me when using the dominion)

posted on September 3rd, 2010, 12:51 pm

Its a decent idea but it will be a bad one in practice, ships are weaker than a station so to stop research the prototype gets destroyed and youv lost the resources of the prototype and the research.

Dom are already quite weak iv noticed in this patch and this will just unbalance them even more as all other races research is in the safety of a station and its superior shields and hull.

posted on September 3rd, 2010, 5:40 pm

Tried a B8 rush just now
So

3. Obliteration from the B8
3.1 Hotkey: "Shift - R-Click" for Transporter Assault => You are able to issue different orders for your frigates: "Shoot down this one, board the other"
3.2 Add Special weapons:" Send reinforcements" Give up to XX Crew to nearby friendly vessels
3.3 Give "Vet-B8" (field-cloning) either Autorecrew or the Borg/Tavara Recrew Ability

posted on September 3rd, 2010, 5:47 pm

Borg lost that ability.  They have to either have an incubation center transport drones over, or go hang out next to an incubation center now.

As an experiment, I got a cube to 50% crew, and decided to see how long it would take to recrew.  Don't do it, you won't like trying.

posted on September 9th, 2010, 3:04 pm

Just something that occured to me, the dominion should be able to use their ultimate spies, the founders to really sabotage enemy efforts, stuff liek inflicting a fail rate on vessel construction which causes a delay in build time or line of sight similar to the original romulan spy.

posted on September 9th, 2010, 3:42 pm

The Founders are the best spies (after S31 agents), but I think they said they were making it a Romulan signature trait. The Tal'Shiar are the most well known for such things.

posted on September 10th, 2010, 10:30 am

The Founders are the best spies (after S31 agents), but I think they said they were making it a Romulan signature trait. The Tal'Shiar are the most well known for such things.

I always thought the Founders would actually be better spies because they can impersonate anyone.  Granted, I haven't seen many episodes with S31.  But the Romulans certainly have the most wide-spread and powerful intelligence network (even if a lot of it spies on their own people).

I'd prefer for spying to be Romulan only.  You could make a good argument for the Dominion not wanting to send Founders into the Alpha Quadrant after they lost the war.

posted on September 10th, 2010, 10:45 am

S31 managed to poison the link, while the Founders never even learned of S31's existence. Even the Tal'Shiar doesn't believe they exist (having a Federation operative in the Tal'Shiar probably helped).

Yeah, the founders are too important to the dominion to risk. They probably only sent them before because they couldn't be found yet.

posted on September 10th, 2010, 11:42 am

Good thing that Fleet Ops doesn't like all that mumbo-jumbo  . Tal'Shiar is still the ultimate spy force, but Dominion will probably get some sneaky stuff too, having shape shifters after all .

posted on September 10th, 2010, 3:06 pm

I always thought the Founders would actually be better spies because they can impersonate anyone.  Granted, I haven't seen many episodes with S31.  But the Romulans certainly have the most wide-spread and powerful intelligence network (even if a lot of it spies on their own people).

I'd prefer for spying to be Romulan only.  You could make a good argument for the Dominion not wanting to send Founders into the Alpha Quadrant after they lost the war.

No the best intelegence service or special forces are the ones that people know LEAST about, like the SAS no one knows jack s**t about them and is part of the reason they are the best in the world, section 31 are almost completely unknown, tal-shia are not they are very well known.

Your worst enemy is the one you know nothing about.

posted on September 10th, 2010, 7:24 pm

No the best intelegence service or special forces are the ones that people know LEAST about, like the SAS no one knows jack s**t about them and is part of the reason they are the best in the world, section 31 are almost completely unknown, tal-shia are not they are very well known.

Your worst enemy is the one you know nothing about.

Section 31 is only effective because it's so secret.  Its own government/leaders/captains don't even like it (when they know about it).  The main reason they're so effective is the show favors the Federation.  That's also the main reason the Tal Shiar is (or seems to be) less effective.

Knowing that the Tal Shiar exists and is powerful is different from knowing how they operate or how to identify their agents, ships, or plans.

[Tyler]

posted on September 10th, 2010, 7:38 pm

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Except that the show is bias against Section 31 rather than for them, and goes out of its way to attack their methods every chance it gets and emphasise how un-Federation like their behaviour is. They do well because they know what they're doing; they even manged to infiltrate the Tal'Shiar (despite their extreme paranoia) and succeded in poisoning the founders (the others didn't get that far).

'The show is bias towards the Federation' doesn't work with this group.

posted on September 10th, 2010, 7:46 pm

Except that the show is bias against Section 31, and goes out of its way to attack their methods every chance it gets and emphasise how un-Federation like their behaviour is. They do well because they know what they're doing; they even manged to infiltrate the Tal'Shiar (despite their extreme paranoia) and succeded in poisoning the founders (the others didn't get that far).

'The Federation is special' doesn't work with this group.

Sure it works . The Feds win because of the "eeeveeel methods" (which are quoted over and over to be just like everybody else in the Federation) and are able to get everything that was wanted done, done. The ultimate children's fantasy.

However, none of it is relevant to the FO storyline, and TNG had enough "hmnmm something's not right", if you looked closely at the background, to not need S31 nonsense anyway