A Nebula "Venture" Refit?

posted on January 16th, 2010, 7:22 pm

A lot of Federation ships have a habit of firing Torpedoes. Does that mean most starships are torp refits? Like the Galaxy; is that a torp refit? They have a torpedo launcher in the neck section.

he was replying to your questioning whether that pod actually had torpedos. which we saw it does. he wasnt saying it was a torpedo refit.

I'm saying i think its a torpedo refit. (i think he may agree though )

we also saw that the nebula class had torpedo launchers in its neck. we saw in emissary i think a nebula firing from its neck on the cube. and the phoenix with the sensor pod managed to torpedo stuff.

posted on January 16th, 2010, 7:26 pm

here's an image of a nebula in first contact firing from BELOW the saucer. presumably all nebulas have this launcher, but only some have the big huge launcher on top.

sorry for double post

posted on January 16th, 2010, 7:26 pm

"he" agrees with a cup of coffee on the table right now  ^-^

And yes, I actually only made the suggestion of making that one a torpedo refit IF the Nebula without pods would become buildable in romulan-mixed-tech yards for the feds so the mentioned episode-"evidence" was just to make clear we know it fired torps from the pod at all.

posted on January 16th, 2010, 7:27 pm

I have no issue with it being used as one, I'm just checking that people remember it's only speculation what the large structures are.

posted on January 16th, 2010, 7:29 pm

of course, there may be other things in that huge structure. we have seen it definitely has at least some torps. i personally prefer to believe its all torps, or maybe an extra shield generator.

posted on January 16th, 2010, 7:38 pm

of course, there may be other things in that huge structure. we have seen it definitely has at least some torps. i personally prefer to believe its all torps, or maybe an extra shield generator.

Both would make sense, especially since FO is still a wargame.^^

posted on January 16th, 2010, 7:41 pm

Being a wargame doesn't make non-war things useless. Non-war things are Starfleet specialty, otherwise the Canaveral would have been replaced with a more standard Cruiser.

Starfleet always wins because they can turn the battle with their own advantages, rather than bending to other races 'everything must have more weapons' methods.

posted on January 16th, 2010, 7:46 pm

Being a wargame doesn't make non-war things useless. Non-war things are Starfleet specialty, otherwise the Canaveral would have been replaced with a more standard Cruiser.

And that's exactly why I also want to see the sensor-pod Nebula ingame as well as the now discussed one. 
It's like with the Nova-class which was rumored as coming with a later patch. I modded one in myself and made it even weaker than the Saber in order to focus it on extended scouting.

[Myles]

posted on January 16th, 2010, 7:57 pm

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i think the nova is equal to the sabre, if not a teeny bit stronger. but it should definitely focus on science/scout, maybe its specials could drop offensive value a lot.

EDIT: related to offense dropping, when the nebula uses its sensor special i think its offense shouldnt drop so low, maybe only drop it to sabre strength.

posted on January 16th, 2010, 7:58 pm

Stronger? I don't think so, it's just a little big bigger due to the more compact design of the Saber in general.

posted on January 16th, 2010, 7:59 pm

i disagree i think it could equal the sabre. look at endgame where the rhode island took down two negh'vars. that was a nova refit.

[RedEyedRaven]

posted on January 16th, 2010, 8:04 pm

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The Rhode Island was just like the future Enterprise from "all good things" as far as the refit-type goes (but Rhode Island actually was present tense in the ST-universe until Janeway screwed it up). And since Janeway changed the past in a radical way, it's possible the Rhode Island gets never built

As a reference to combat strength I would recommend to use the Equinox from the equally named episode.

The fact is that I wanted the Nova to be an alternative to the venture which can also do a little more scouting in sensorscrambling nebulas (higher damaged scan radius).

Edit: If I go on thinking about the Rhode Island it may also be possible it's either a brand new prototype based on the Nova or some newer subclass.

posted on January 16th, 2010, 8:13 pm

i agree that it shouldnt just be a boring combat ship, it should have a purpose.

the equinox wasn't that weak, then again it contained characters important to the plot so couldnt be blown up until the end of the episode

i think it should have an offense 1 below the saber, and a defense 3 above it. but when it uses a special to perform its purpose, its offense would halve maybe.

posted on January 16th, 2010, 8:16 pm

The special on my one is passively used since Nova-class vessels are sometimes considered to be "great short range scouts" (That's why I increased specifically the damaged scan radius. Makes some nebulas much safer)

Back to topic.. is there anything new to say about the Nebulas now?

posted on January 16th, 2010, 8:18 pm

On Nova: I'd stick a higher system value to it. Surveyor-type ships are intended to go to dangerous places like Nebulas and should have more durable systems which are harder to screw with than combat ship. Especially sensors and life support.

On topic: All I can think of is give it more exterior lights, similar to the Enterprise from Motion Picture.