Romulan Scout.

posted on October 22nd, 2010, 12:48 am

So we all know that romulans have the best cloak, but i think their cloak detect may be op, relative to other races.

Romulans basically start out the game with the best cloak and cloak detect, as there scout can instantly be upgraded into a cloak detector, that constantly pings, and can travel with your fleet, and has a higher defense

Its better then all other moving cloak detection systems and you can start out with it at the very begging.

[Tyler]

posted on October 22nd, 2010, 12:53 am

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The Talon refit is fragile (lower hull than a NoQ'Duj, but higher shields), very easy to assimilate/capture and loses its ability to cloak. That doesn't go well with the ships 'low defense first' targeting priority.

posted on October 22nd, 2010, 1:10 am

So we all know that romulans have the best cloak, but i think their cloak detect may be op, relative to other races.

Romulans basically start out the game with the best cloak and cloak detect, as there scout can instantly be upgraded into a cloak detector, that constantly pings, and can travel with your fleet, and has a higher defense

Its better then all other moving cloak detection systems and you can start out with it at the very begging.

I'd like to know who this "we" is 

posted on October 22nd, 2010, 1:11 am

Compared to what it used to be its quite balanced. My favorite trick to do against it is, if you have good timing skills, get in close, decloak, fire, capture, and kill the nearby enemy fleet before they even know whats going on.

posted on October 22nd, 2010, 6:11 am

It makes sense though.  Romulans are the best cloakers in the game, it makes sense that they have the best cloak detect as well as they understand cloaking tech the best.

And as has been mentioned, the Talon refit is weak... you put it in harm's way and its going to get wiped very quickly.

posted on October 22nd, 2010, 7:00 am

the only thing i am bothered about is that the scout can actively prevent any cloak retreat! And once you are on retreat you cannot destroy nor capture the refit. Imo it should get lower shields and a bit more hull in exchange. For good players its very easy to keep the scout out of fireing range and send it in once the cloak retreat happens.

posted on October 22nd, 2010, 7:22 am

the only thing i am bothered about is that the scout can actively prevent any cloak retreat! And once you are on retreat you cannot destroy nor capture the refit. Imo it should get lower shields and a bit more hull in exchange. For good players its very easy to keep the scout out of fireing range and send it in once the cloak retreat happens.

Yeah, its really good isn't it? 

The question is really though, is it unbalancing?  Who can cloak retreat?  Only Klingon's and Roms (if you exclude Breen Cruisers and Mixed tech Defiants).  Klingon's can in return be nasty to cloak retreating Romulans if they have fleets heavy with B'rels and ... erm, what's the other one, Vorcha, Vupta?

posted on October 22nd, 2010, 7:33 am

the only thing i am bothered about is that the scout can actively prevent any cloak retreat! And once you are on retreat you cannot destroy nor capture the refit. Imo it should get lower shields and a bit more hull in exchange. For good players its very easy to keep the scout out of fireing range and send it in once the cloak retreat happens.

    While I agree that all races need an EARLIER form of simple cloak detect, I do NOT agree that the Rommie scout is too good.  Sorry.

[Anonymous]

posted on October 22nd, 2010, 8:37 am

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Well, if you have problems with a Talon refit capture it and use it against the Romulan  . It is quite expensive, fragile and hard to micro. Actually I am more worried about the Venture, it can nearly do the same for not even half of the costs.
Btw there is already a Talon Refit Thread further down on this page, where the same arguments are mentioned already...

posted on October 22nd, 2010, 10:43 am

Imo it should get lower shields and a bit more hull in exchange.

Doing this would only be in favor of the opponent. The romulan player would only get disadvantages:
lower shields = retreating the Talon refit without being captured on the way out will get much harder since the shields would go down more easily before a withdraw

higher hull = it stays in the field without shields longer but resists more light direct hits so the opponent has more chances to capture it even when his fleet attacks unmicroed


In the end this would be a big impact on the balance against the romulan player.

posted on October 22nd, 2010, 4:05 pm

I think that's part of the point - some people think the Talon Refit is overpowered, so they want it to be weaker.

As other people said, the Talon Refit isn't overpowered.  It may be better than other races' early game cloak detect, but since it's the Romulans' only form of it it shouldn't be weakened.

posted on October 23rd, 2010, 3:59 am

What i am saying is not that it is too strong, im saying it is too strong to early,

the fact that roms basically can just start out with cloak detect, just doesnt seem right....

posted on October 23rd, 2010, 12:17 pm

they dont start with it, they have to pay money for it. which means your starting fleet isnt as good. refitting your talon at the start is silly unless you really really want to deny them scouting, or you think you can micro insane. even if u decloak their fleet when it harasses you, your fleet wont be strong enough to take them anyway.

u should refit a talon about the time the feds will research progressive scan. if my opponent buys a talon refit early i would fly in uncloaked and kill them lol as that talon refit would have costed them a rhienn probably.

posted on October 23rd, 2010, 6:38 pm

Refitiing a talon only costs like 200 di, and 100 tri, thats not gonna make a huge difference in your fleet, however when you can decloak them, and then fire on their unshielded hulls, that does make a difference in the early game

posted on October 23rd, 2010, 6:43 pm

Refitiing a talon only costs like 200 di, and 100 tri, thats not gonna make a huge difference in your fleet, however when you can decloak them, and then fire on their unshielded hulls, that does make a difference in the early game

assuming your numbers are true, that's over half the cost of a rhienn. a ship you now cannot build at the usual time. and early game you will only have 1 or 2 ships, even if you get the decloak, a skilled player can run, or decloak and have the advantage cos you couldnt afford another ship.