Norway Plasma and Rhienn Rush Overpowered?

[Dominus_Noctis]

posted on April 20th, 2009, 12:58 pm

Last edited by Dominus_Noctis on April 20th, 2009, 1:15 pm, edited 1 time in total.

Yeah, I've tried the outmicro thing before, and I've got a section in my original post on that too. It just doesn't work after a certain amount of time due to how many Norways can be spammed and NOT microed as well as the fact that I can't control more than 5 fleets effectively (the AoE is so large, that to properly outmicro the Norway class you need to seperate your hypothetical ships into groups of 4-5 and have them decloak or approach the fleet at different times... which means you are essentially making it really easy for the rest of your enemy's fleet to take your ships out piecemeal as well as banking on the idea that when your ships do get in range the AoE won't affect ships of another fleet that are close by... you can see that it gets complicated too fast).

In regards again to the competition: I'm sorry to make you irritated by my statement, but that was my initial thought (read: my opinion). Before I continue I should note that I am rather cynical and paranoid, and thus I am just seeing this from the worst light possible (It could indeed be a great opportunity to get more forum participation). Many people simply don't have the time to post (take yourself for example). If the Developers want to play with someone, I would like that they chose who they want to rather than having someone "assigned to them". It reminds me of those "you can have Michael Jordan eat with you on your birthday" things. I'd much rather be asked to eat with him, than force him to eat with me because of some sweepstakes. Plus, I'd much rather have someone play them who wants to share the information afterwords and I know that there are a bunch of people who did not do that during the Beta-testing. The competition feels like a temporary solution to a permanent problem, and frankly it did hurt my feelings. This isn't said in anger, merely sadness... and the Internet really sucks when you are trying to express yourself (easy to misunderstand as I am sure you are aware).

What do you mean "submitting mine to the competition" anyways? I'm confused, aren't we just evaluating people on their well thought out threads for ship/strat/race etc within the last week?

EDIT: You mean post the link your thread, ok. However, doesn't this particular thread have absolutely nothing to do with what you were looking for?

posted on April 20th, 2009, 1:32 pm

1 more post to explain a little more so others dont get the wrong idea. I do get what u're saying but you got this wrong. The team already did choose they want to play with (I arranged the game with Optec on MSN) so basically its me and others who I want as teammates.
So because I didnt know who to pick (havent played or talked to people I used to play with in ages) I decided Id open that thread so the whole community might benefit as well (with new quality posts). So this has nothing to do with the team, it wasnt their idea - it was mine and I pursue it because I thought it was a good one.
Now Im sorry if this hurt your feelings and I know that some people dont deserve to get this game, but hey they need to write a good post first I think this is a fair way of doing things, also if one would be willing of going through the trouble of writing a long post in order to be in the game, Im sure they will also report a bit after the game (if no one else will, then Ill do it).
I can also understand your point that not everyone has time (pointing out me, was kind of suprising considering how many posts I write on these forums - and most of them arent short either ) But this was never ment to be an essay contest, but an idea contest. If you have a cool new idea (feature request) a balancing concern (balancing forums), a strategy guide (strategy forum) you can post everything you basically think would benefit FO. No regulations on the lenght of the post, so I think everyone has time to write something up, especially since the final date has been extended over the weekend (due to a request from mark ).
Again I do apologize if you got the wrong idea, if you have any more questions please feel free to contact me over MSN 

[mimesot]

posted on April 20th, 2009, 1:49 pm

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@ Optec

I find the idea is most comfortable. The abiliy to count ships within an area is another new hardcoded feature of the team?

@ -=B!G=-The Black Baron

Will you decide, who will win the tutorial competition or is there gonna be a poll?
Unfortunatly I've got no time to do one soon, but on the other hand, i'm not that experienced.

@ Dominus_Noctis

I believe you are right that even cruisers can't stand a chance against a pack of norways.

If my suggestion of making the research time for the rhienn refit longer will make it unused again (IMO it depends on how much you extend that duration), what can be done else then. nerfing itisnt a good solution, isn't it?

I personally don't feel the Rhienns to be a too fast and strong rush. The borgs 3 scouts and one assim is dangerous as well, and sabres can outmanuver just anything.

posted on April 20th, 2009, 2:53 pm

@ -=B!G=-The Black Baron

Will you decide, who will win the tutorial competition or is there gonna be a poll?
Unfortunatly I've got no time to do one soon, but on the other hand, i'm not that experienced.

Look at the thread A Once in a Liftime Opportunity (and that goes to everyone else that will ask questions about this over here) at the online gaming subforum for all the info (but there will be a poll about the winner )

posted on April 20th, 2009, 3:01 pm

Nooooo, plz the norway rulz!!!

posted on April 20th, 2009, 10:12 pm

Optic, once again you've taken us from lose-lose to win-win.  This eliminates all my concerns about AoE.  Thanks.

[Dominus_Noctis]

posted on April 20th, 2009, 11:07 pm

Last edited by Dominus_Noctis on April 20th, 2009, 11:53 pm, edited 1 time in total.

Just came out of a discussion with Le_Deimos and had a short thought to post. Although Deimos pointed out that Rhienns are very costly supply wise, I feel that this only affects a race later-early game, when you are actually running low. That being said, when you have 10-14 Rhienns out there early and not much can take the abuse, it doesn't matter how many supplies you take early on, you've stilled denied your opponent the opportunity to expand and taken out a fair number of his ships as well. 

Edit: Thanks Serpicus 

posted on April 20th, 2009, 11:22 pm

yes. agreed. that's what i was trying to say in the kling bop discussion with him.
as always dom u bridge the gap

posted on April 21st, 2009, 12:28 am

okay this is stupid, norways weapons should not get downgraded, look at fof it can take down excelsiors with ease, but norway are innefective against larger ships, making them uslesss, so how about giving them an upgrade that can be reserched after 2-3 chassis to make them stronger?

cus seriously feds dont need to be watered down, there fine the way they are

posted on April 21st, 2009, 12:55 am

Field of Fire cannot easily take down Excelsiors Ray. Play a little Klingon and you'll know what I mean. It takes 3 FoF to take down 1 Akira afterall ... I think FoF requires 5-6 shots to take down an Excelsior. I've already had this discussion with you so please look at the other thread (to sumarize, FoF requires 1 research, 2 yards, 2 research yards and both weapon upgrades to make it be able to take down an excelsior in 5-6 shots if I remember correctly).

posted on April 21st, 2009, 2:18 am

@ray
i believe what optec i suggested will impact FOF as well. So if norways are cut down, so is FOF. so your complaint would be resolved then

posted on April 21st, 2009, 2:36 am

Yes indeed Serpicus 

posted on April 21st, 2009, 8:24 am

Thats the idea, yep. Only limited area of effect weapons - like the Hyperspace Artillery or the Ion Storm - wont be touched, as they can not be stacked in unreasonable numbers either way

posted on April 22nd, 2009, 12:07 am

what? only one norway at a time? this is stupid power should not be reduced, those suckers die faster then you can say, damn my norways gone, ive sent 5-7 them into battle used there plasma, and 5 seconds later all i have is a reatreating norway, and a norway with no sheilds hull or whatsoever, and the rest of my fleet then battles it out, those suckers arnt support they need support

like a specific escort class, im not talking bout defiant, im talking about a very small faster agile ship, that can be right next to those suckers, take some hard hits, but mainly like block shot (with special ability) from hitting the ship there protecting, maybye like one pulse phaser, and then some torpedos, and a 360 degree fire phaser, cus those support ships die off fast

posted on April 22nd, 2009, 8:16 am

those suckers arnt support they need support

i'm happy that norway spam will stop. i'm also happy that this change will affect FoF as this was pretty ridiculus. the change that optec mentioned is the best solution but i still would like to see some small AoE weapon that do damage like plasma coil now (maybe this romulan ship with AoE could stay as is)