Borg Support Ships?

posted on May 28th, 2010, 4:07 pm

only the dodecahedron is a support vessel for the borg

Oh wow, we all just assumed the others were support vessels since the label says "support, type special"  . Any particular reason they are labeled as such? Does that mean they aren't or are affected by cruiser-killer weapons then, because this is really misleading

we are discussing some changes on resource transfer along with the race redo

Aww, that's one of the more intelligent aspects of team gameplay

posted on May 28th, 2010, 5:18 pm

vessels which show "supportship" in their tooltip are supportships shouldn't be too confusing

[Dominus_Noctis]

posted on May 28th, 2010, 5:23 pm

Last edited by Dominus_Noctis on May 28th, 2010, 5:28 pm, edited 1 time in total.

Well, in that case, the Assimilator and Diamond are support ships


shipclass = "special"
shiptype = "X"
avoidanceclass = 6
weldingradius = 0.25
eventselect = "Basic1SupportvesselSelect"
eventacknowledge = "Basic1SupportvesselAcknowledge"
eventattack = "Basic1SupportvesselAttack"
eventstop = "Basic1SupportvesselStop"
eventmove = "Basic1SupportvesselMove"
eventrepair = "Basic1SupportvesselRepair"

posted on May 28th, 2010, 5:57 pm

where do you find anything related to support in their tooltips? they use the support ship sounds if captured by a non-borg race, just for the difference...

posted on May 28th, 2010, 6:06 pm

From "bor_assimilator_AAA.odf"

shipclass = "special"

  .  It's special ... ... it's has support ship sounds ... does that um, make it support? 

posted on May 28th, 2010, 6:11 pm

Ninja'd by Boggz

All the support vessels in FO as far as I've noticed have the shipclass being "special" in their name - that's just a coincidence then or just for the Admiral's log? I'm noticing now that the Assim and Diamond aren't counting for support ships in a variety of situations - but they don't count for cruisers either for damage calculation (unlike almost all other Borg vessels). So what the heck are they?

posted on May 28th, 2010, 7:09 pm

special is special, support is support, i would consider the assimilator special..

besides, it uses federation support ship sounds if captured (something that regulary happens to borg vessels, i missed that).

we are currently working on a notepad implementation, so, instead of buttons and tooltips where one can read "supportship", it opens up the odf instead to solve those issues..

posted on May 28th, 2010, 7:37 pm

So ALL other ships except for the Assim and Diamond that are listed as shipclass "special", shiptype "X" are support? Every single support vessel in the game but those uses those .

[Optec]

posted on May 28th, 2010, 8:07 pm

Last edited by Optec on May 28th, 2010, 8:12 pm, edited 1 time in total.

those settings are used for stuff like formations or loging and have nothing to do with being a support ship or not. Science ships or similar stuff would probably be labeled the same. Its logical that ships with special purposes belong to the same, special group.. and yep, support ships are special. I dont get the problem at all, really

look at the ingame stuff, not the odfs

[Boggz]

posted on May 28th, 2010, 8:18 pm

Last edited by Boggz on May 28th, 2010, 8:53 pm, edited 1 time in total.

I think the issue is that the Diamond and the Assimilator seem to be unique in that they do not fall under the consequences and benefits of what "support ships" get - mainly the added bonus against units with ADAI. 

  Right now only the Dodec has that honor, which I think we'd really like to avoid seeing too many more of  .

  On the other hand, if they are NOT support ships they, in theory, should have another classification such as "cruiser" or "battleship" for damage calculation purposes.

   That way they EDIT: (as in The Borg get to) have a counter for ships with ADAI

[Dominus_Noctis]

posted on May 28th, 2010, 8:24 pm

Last edited by Dominus_Noctis on May 28th, 2010, 11:42 pm, edited 1 time in total.

The in game stuff doesn't call it a cruiser or support or anything - the only way to tell is by the odfs and/or thru the damage bonuses  :sweatdrop: . So other than the "three abilities equals a support unit" rule, there isn't another way to tell  :blush: . Really the reason we were thinking about this was because right now the Intrepid counters every single Borg vessel except for the Dodecahedron, and that's what brought us to the Assim and Diamond  :pinch:

Ninja'd again, blast! 

EDIT: I suppose the Dodecahedron could act as a escort for those ships, guess that makes sense. Not sure yet 

posted on May 29th, 2010, 9:36 am

yep that was the idea, giving some more game-roles to the dodecahedron, as its pure military value was not intended to be that powerful (there will be some adjustments next patch)

posted on May 29th, 2010, 9:42 am

So, erm ... for damage and role purposes, can we count on the Assimilator / Diamond being a cruiser, or is it going to be classed as "special" and fall under neither?

  Just curious about what it should be used to counter/what can be used to counter IT, since I am merely a peon .

posted on May 29th, 2010, 2:17 pm

Since it is special it doesn't get any downsides counting as a cruiser or what not - none of the abilities based on ship type I've seen affect it  ... now to add a new category to the guide  :

"Mommy, why do they always pick on me"


"Cuz you're special, honey". 



With that... anti-long ranged units will still counter it, just none of our friendly ADAI units will be countered, and no-anti cruisers (like the Rhienn Torp Refit).