R vs D (pure tech) strategy?

posted on March 14th, 2010, 6:11 am

I need some ideas for Romulan strategy. My last game I started with Generix spectre refit followed by support refit. The same time the Dom player spammed masses of Bugs. Those could easily hinder my ships because the ramming makes a retreat impossible. Then dom startet to mass out carriers and I took Generix frigate refit and disruptor refit for Rhiennes. Raids on Dom economy where some kind of worthless for me (even though I wiped out many frighters). The game took a long time and I tried to lure the Dom in mines...that worked once and then he send his carriers to clear all mines out.

The end of the game was, that he started to build battleships, bombers, and some support while I hang out on Generix and Rhiennes. Because late game ships of Rom suck to hell (e.g. Warbird) i quit the game at this point...

What would be an adequat strategy against pure tech?

posted on March 14th, 2010, 7:16 am

use leviathals, and tech to battleships, dont forget to take advantage of the cloaking ability.

early on make use of the Riehnn's long range and kite bugs as you can, if they get to close, cloak and move away.

posted on March 14th, 2010, 8:22 am

what type of battleship? As i mentioned the Warbird is a waste of time imo and the norexan and eris lack of firepower i think...left is the tavara...

posted on March 14th, 2010, 10:40 am

what type of battleship? As i mentioned the Warbird is a waste of time imo and the norexan and eris lack of firepower i think...left is the tavara...

  How you use them is what matters.  Norexans will eat Bugs alive if they have their special.  Even though they get a damage decrease they still do huge damage to Bugs with their Pulse Weapons.  Leahval spam = Win for Rommies unless the Dominion goes Carriers.  There is no good Romulan counter for Carriers at the moment, so your best best is to attack everything besides the carriers while having Leahvals destroy their mining.  If you eat enough of the Dominion economy the only thing they will have left are their B-5's.  Though they are tough to kill, a persistent attack on economy and any builder that tries to make a perimeter will prevail.

posted on March 14th, 2010, 11:38 am

hm...but the economy thing depends strongly on the map I play...I had a game on "Old space" hitting the econ was very hard...and almost useless...the Dom bunkered in the center and made any later raid impossible.

posted on March 15th, 2010, 12:15 am

I tend to agree, use Cloaking to get your units in close without having to skirmish. Alternately, send your main fleet cloaked to their base (or near enough without triggering tachyon detectors) and then send a small uncloaked fleet somewhere else to draw their forces off before decloaking to attack.

Tavara is great against bugs because they're pretty effective at capturing them. Also, be on the lookout, in 3.1x, sometimes the bugs will fail in their ram and be left derelic, beam a small squad on to them gives the Dom more targets to deal with.

sadly, slamming the Dominion's resources is usually a losing proposition since they can just switch any surviving freighters to constructors to rebuild the mining outposts shortly after you wipe them out.

Personally I'm a big fan of using a mass of cloaked Serkas to just hammer away at turtled enemies, but that's a pretty expensive proposition, especially on a smaller map.

posted on March 15th, 2010, 2:42 am

I dont want to be offensive but have you played online eoraptor? Serkas will be wiped out instantly atm...there is no proper way to use them now. And cloak is useful in early and midgame only...later on the tachyon ping can be spammed easily... especially in base.

and then send a small uncloaked fleet somewhere else to draw their forces off before decloaking to attack.

this only works on a huge maps...as I mentioned we played on a medium map regarding distance from main to outposts...therefore I could kill 2 frighters only before getting away...and then comes the ping and you are down.

I will try some more games with rom on another map...

posted on March 15th, 2010, 1:17 pm

I dont want to be offensive but have you played online eoraptor? Serkas will be wiped out instantly atm...there is no proper way to use them now. And cloak is useful in early and midgame only...later on the tachyon ping can be spammed easily... especially in base.

this only works on a huge maps...as I mentioned we played on a medium map regarding distance from main to outposts...therefore I could kill 2 frighters only before getting away...and then comes the ping and you are down.

I will try some more games with rom on another map...

I think your looking at the Romulans the wrong way, there ships are not about DPS or soaking damage, there abour buffs and de-buffs. Hit and run.

You can actualy hit Dom resources quite sucessfuly, i did it as feds but the outcome and method are the same. You Alpha target the miners then turrets then the mining base. Or do the Shitty thing Romulans do and take out all the miners and cloak, then when they come to rebuild attack.

As for battleships, The romulan battleships can all cloak, and all pack a punch. The D'Derix is a beast compaired to other races battleships.

But Rom ships are expensive, there is a much higher priority in keeping them alive, thats why they can all cloak. The Tavaran I actauly see very little of online, its expensive and dies rather fast if not upgraded, and those upgrades are even more expensive. For that cost you could have 5 or 6 Norexians.

If you fight the Dominion like you would fight the Klingons and other Romulans, AKA Generix support refits and Leviathals later teching to Nerexians, attacking mining. Or like Feds AKA Leviathal Spam with the first tier Rom battleship (cant remember it, but its the only one that can fight off Exel 2s due to its long range)and attacking the main base. Or the borg AKA everything with torpedos.... then you will lose.

The Dominion are a very Different Kettle of Fish, they need to be cut off from expanding, to prevent them from building preimiters and late tier battleships. Attacking Prototype later on is a waste of time unless they have only got 1 mabye 2 moon pairs, only then does the cost start to hurt.

Breen Cruisers eat early Rom ships for lunch, and A-26 will hurt your expensive support ships. Boggz is right avoid Carriers as romulans really dont have a counter to that yet (though i theorise D'Derix with special could dampen the effectiveness of them). The dominion lake heavy hitting long range aside from A-26 and Hyperspace Artillery.

Dont forget breen Cruisers can Cloak...  >:(.

Best thing vs Pure tech... well i saw Stardust once use Generix support refit and Leviathals to great effect, he also used Riehnn and its long range and speed to make bugs hurt a bit.

Vs Breen Allie, never really seen it but i assume you would want Disruptorrefits as they do a bit more damage but dont miss early tier ships like torpedos do. You will need Battleships for this one though as Breen Battleships are a bitch to take out.

posted on March 15th, 2010, 6:07 pm

I found a really strong fleet with Helev. Just put together the following:
- 1 fully upgraded Tavara
- 2 D'Deridex Warbirds
- 2 Norexan Warbirds
- 4 Generix Dreadnought Refits
- 6 Griffins
- 2 Leahvals
- 4 Torp. Rhienns

Why is this so strong?
Tavara = Anti-Destroyer/Cruiser/Station
D'Deridex = Anti-Cruiser/H. Cruiser
Norexan = Anti-Destroyer
Generix Dread = Possibly Anti-battleship when in good numbers
Generix = Support Cruisers
Leahvals = Fleet Support
Rhienns = Hunters (to destroy runaways)

You can increase the numbers if you'd like, but pretty much a good mix of those guys really punch hard

posted on March 15th, 2010, 9:31 pm

I found a really strong fleet with Helev. Just put together the following:
- 1 fully upgraded Tavara
- 2 D'Deridex Warbirds
- 2 Norexan Warbirds
- 4 Generix Dreadnought Refits
- 6 Griffins
- 2 Leahvals
- 4 Torp. Rhienns

Why is this so strong?
Tavara = Anti-Destroyer/Cruiser/Station
D'Deridex = Anti-Cruiser/H. Cruiser
Norexan = Anti-Destroyer
Generix Dread = Possibly Anti-battleship when in good numbers
Generix = Support Cruisers
Leahvals = Fleet Support
Rhienns = Hunters (to destroy runaways)

You can increase the numbers if you'd like, but pretty much a good mix of those guys really punch hard

I dont have the numbers in my head, but this fleet is pretty expensive. each torp rhienn even costs 40-50 supply on its own, and that for being interceptable and relatively weak.

posted on March 16th, 2010, 5:50 am

I dont have the numbers in my head, but this fleet is pretty expensive. each torp rhienn even costs 40-50 supply on its own, and that for being interceptable and relatively weak.

I agree that the numbers are a little... odd. But i can see where the Gamers fleet fills out witht he Dread refits.

Ill have to give that one a try Gamer.

posted on March 16th, 2010, 8:30 am

I bet this fleet will be ripped even by a weakrer player...AND the cost are incredibly high...

posted on March 16th, 2010, 1:29 pm

I bet this fleet will be ripped even by a weakrer player...AND the cost are incredibly high...

after taking the AI Merciless on with it a few time, its surprisingly effective. Lots of micro but its good.

Against Borg: Did well, took out a sphere and an assim, not to much to trouble a cube though, it one shots the riehnns.

Against Feds: It failed here, the feds had excell 2's and akiras by now, fleet to almost crippling causualties.

Against Klinks: didnt really try that yet...

Against Dominion: Did well, lots of micro but it cost the Dom more than it cost me. however as soon as V-13's started arriving the fleet to alot of casualties.


All in all, dont us the riehnns, use them early but faze them out as the other races start teching up. The Dread refits were usefull but got damaged alot by long range ships.
The Cost is very high... I actual subbed out the Tavaran for a few more nerexians and was more successful. Dont forget more units means more targets and for Romulans, spreading the damage is very important.