New to the game - any help please?

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posted on May 24th, 2011, 12:53 pm
Hey all,

First things first, I'm not really *new* to the game, I've been playing Armada 1 and 2 since they first came out, and I've played Fleet Ops for quite a while, but I have only just recently started playing properly. To be more precise, before now I would play with infinite supplies and free tech, on the Nirvana 2 map (one with all the worm holes), and it was really just a thing for me to do to pass the time. 10 fleets of Defiant, Soverign and Akira ships all set to S&D in the middle was giving my military record a huge boost ;)

Anyway, I recently decided to play the game properly, with normal resources. I can quite easily crush the Normal AI, however I am struggling a bit on Hard. I know to most of you that's going to be easy, I've seen quite a few threads about people beating 5x Merciless AI by themselves etc. but I was hoping for some advice?

I've also read the guides made by Boggz, which were awesome by the way :D And I've read a few other guys and strategies, however I seem to get crushed quite quickly during the game.

Just to let you know, when I play any race I tend to queue 1 mining station between the closest two moons, and I build 2 mining ships. That way I don't have to build a second station just yet, and the 3 miners never interupt each other when mining or transfering the materials.

I've tried 3 games. First was Klingon (me) v Federation (Hard), I managed to get quite a number of B'rel's and K'vort ships so I can do some hit and runs on the federation mining posts. That went fairly well for about 5 minutes, until I started to get overwhelmed by Sabers and some Monsoons. Before I got crushed however, I had built 4 or 5 KBQ's, so roughly I had 20 or so ships. Unfortunately, when the Feds came for me they steamrolled my fleet. By the team I had destroyed their Sabers and Monsoons, I had only a handful of K'vorts and B'rels left, but by then I saw their warp-in ships coming at me (roughly 8 altogether), so it was basically bye bye game.

The next two I played as Federation v Klingon (Hard). The first game wasn't as good as the second, but I basically built my shipyard first and the mining outpost. I built my Starfleet science first to upgrade my Norway, queued 5 Norways and set my construction ships to build another mining outpost for Dilithium and the Starfleet Engineering. Once that was done I built Starfleet Command and used the warp-in to destroy one of the enemy mining outposts. After that I just tried to build whatever I could, I had 7 or so Norways and was then building Monsoons when I was attacked. The computer basically ripped through my fleet, I used warp-in to get reinforcements and I managed to survive, but was left with only 3 ships from my warp-in. My miners were extinct, my resources gone, and another fleet heading my way, so I decided to start again.

The third game was Feds v Klingons again, but this time instead of mining Tritanium and building Norways, I went more for Dilithium, built my Chasis 1 and started cranking out Monsoons and Intrepids. I used warp-in on the enemy mining outpost, I used my Monsoons to destroy whatever ships were scouting, but eventually I got overwhelmed again and lost pretty much all my fleet.

Hope this has been an interesting read, I have a tendancy to rattle on a bit...  :lol:  but any help you can give is greatly appreciated. I want to be able to at least *contend* with merciless AI before I try and beat the pros online :)
posted on May 24th, 2011, 1:17 pm
The problem vs AI is that the AI's ships are way cheaper and take way less time to build. So normal game balance does not apply because the AI can just drown you in ships. Fedroll with Warpin-Ruhs should be able to beat any hard AI usually. Against AI rush to strong ships that can take a beating since you will always be outnumbered no matter what you do. Also strategies that would not work in normal multiplayer like Tavara-Rush work fine against the AI.
posted on May 24th, 2011, 1:20 pm
i personnally dont think u can get a good feel for the game vs the ai  :whistling:

so i recommend u get on tunngle and ill be more than happy to have some easy going games to show u the ropes (so to speak) :D

hope to see ya online soon buddy  :thumbsup:
posted on May 24th, 2011, 1:29 pm
A bit of advice. When playing against AI, turtle up if you can. Get eraudi Yard and then get loads of torpedo turrets. That useally helps.
Anyways, if you are concerned about competing online with us folks I'll give some additional advice.
AI games are not like multiplayer games against actual players. When I play against AI I play way differently then when I play against someone else. This is because the AI is basicly spam as much units as possible, then when it gets attacked it will send almost all ships to that position and swarm you. A human player wouldn't get as much ships in the beginning because the AI cheats like hell. But that is only way to make the AI harder to beat. A player will be playing much more strategic.
So if you want to play online with us, then just come online and come play with us. Most of us are friendly and will be happy to help you out with any questions etc. The fact that you can beat 2-3x merciless AI (Which I can do easily) is no guarantee that you can beat a player. So come online and play with us :) We'll be happy to have another player.
posted on May 24th, 2011, 1:39 pm
Thanks for the advice so far, I've noticed from other threads that this seems to be a very friendly community, glad to see I was right  :thumbsup:

I'll try and get Tunngle running today if I can, but due to real life I doubt I can get into an actual game anytime soon. I tend to play throughout quiet times during the day and pause it when I need to do things, so I'd hate to play online and pause it for an hour while I do work  :lol:  

But if you're willing to help I'll do my best to find some time on a night during the week :) It is greatly appreciated  :thumbsup:
posted on May 24th, 2011, 1:47 pm
Juniortrekkie wrote:Thanks for the advice so far, I've noticed from other threads that this seems to be a very friendly community, glad to see I was right  :thumbsup:

I'll try and get Tunngle running today if I can, but due to real life I doubt I can get into an actual game anytime soon. I tend to play throughout quiet times during the day and pause it when I need to do things, so I'd hate to play online and pause it for an hour while I do work  :lol:  

But if you're willing to help I'll do my best to find some time on a night during the week :) It is greatly appreciated  :thumbsup:


welcome, hopefully you'll join us online, fleetops is currently balanced for online games, and is more fun online. single player tends to be more predictable, either not a challenge, or a challenge for the wrong reasons (unless you love holding back a 3 metre thick wall of spam  :sweatdrop: ).
posted on May 24th, 2011, 1:58 pm
I downloaded and installed Tunngle, however past *recent* experience has taught me to test it before promising to be available to play at a certain time. However, if I can get it working without any hitches, I might be able to get on for a few games tonight :)

Gotta get off for a while now though so I'll test it later. Thanks for all the positive responses guys, you're all a credit to the community  :D
posted on May 24th, 2011, 4:58 pm
If you want I can show you how I go against the hard ai. Whats your time zone and country? You pick the map, opponents and what not.
posted on May 24th, 2011, 7:44 pm
I'd love to play online with you sometime  :thumbsup:
Where are you from? Which timezone are you in?
That way we know who will be the most likely to encounter your name ;)
Hope to see you online soon :D
posted on May 24th, 2011, 7:55 pm
I'm from the UK but I work very irregular times  :lol:  I'm about to try and get Tunngle working, if it works first time I'm up for a game before I go to bed, if anyone cares to teach me :)
posted on May 24th, 2011, 8:43 pm
I'm from the netherlands. We may be able to play in the weekends ;)
Maybe whenever we happen to be both online on irregular times ;)
posted on May 24th, 2011, 9:23 pm
Looking forward to it Denarius  :thumbsup: Had my first game again Evilelite2000, he could have steamrolled me after the first 15 minutes, but was kind enough to cut me some slack. I'm enjoying this  :woot:
posted on May 24th, 2011, 9:48 pm
Id also recommend watching some replays if you havent already, they can help to show you some strategies, and the overall normal pace of the game in an online multiplayer match.

For some reason i cant access the guide atm, which is also a useful tool, and contains the video database, youll notice it in the sidebar on the fleetops home page if you havent seen it already

For now however, here is the link to my replay channel: YouTube
- ‪Kanal von TheRay320‬‏
posted on May 24th, 2011, 11:34 pm
And again the FleetOps community does not disapoint in welcoming new players into their midst.

GJ community! ^-^
posted on May 24th, 2011, 11:42 pm
Feel free to look me up "Majestic-MSFC"I am pretty new as well and would be happy to have a easy going game with you. My defeat to win ratio online is like 5:1 at the moment anyway.
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