klingon cloak detect

posted on May 5th, 2010, 12:09 pm

hi,

i wonder how to deal with cloaked fleets in the field. sensor stations are fine to protect the base, but it seems that every faction except the klingons have moveable cloak detectors of some sort. did i miss something?
in a recent game i had the means to crush a romulan base, but every station cloaked as soon as i opened fire. even the starbase, and whats worse, it still fired at my ships from under the cloak. what do?

posted on May 5th, 2010, 12:41 pm

B'rels can fire at them if they see them cloak. The other vessel that has this ability as well is the Vutpa’. Also use the LuSpet's field of fire, or any other special weapon that has an area effect.

posted on May 5th, 2010, 4:38 pm

is the sensor array cloak detection not working for long distance anymore? I thought the ping is then caused by the ship that is nearest your point of order.

posted on May 5th, 2010, 5:06 pm

That's the dominion, and happens only after you get some really expensive tech.  Right now the cloak detection is pretty imbalanced, but I've heard there are plans to make sensor stations much better.  Right now,  the romulans corner the market on both cloaking and detection, with the intel center, shrike's spy ability, and the refitted talons.

I think the klingons will eventually need something that detects ships already cloaked, and perhaps a global ability like the graviton ping should come back, but be at the top of the tech tree and expensive, so that some dick with a cloaking device can't just sit back when he only has a scout left.

posted on May 5th, 2010, 5:39 pm

Aye, I'm hoping for a little more love to the Klingon "already cloaked" detection.  At the moment it's basically impossible.

  Sadly a Romulan can easily escape due to their reliance on battleships, strong hulls, and 2 second cloaking time.  A couple B'rels or Vupta armed with pulse's can basically forget about finishing off a battleship.

  Anyway, I'm convinced that the Devs will come up with something.  The new cloaking detection methods in 3.1.2 are remarkably original and innovative so I have the utmost confidence!

posted on May 5th, 2010, 6:03 pm

Actually, the battleships should be easier, as the brels can stay with them and they reveal the unit to the rest of your fleet.  It's hard though against smaller ships like the shrike, who are fast or almost as fast.  If the brel stops once, the romulan gets away.

posted on May 5th, 2010, 8:00 pm

Actually, the battleships should be easier, as the brels can stay with them and they reveal the unit to the rest of your fleet.  It's hard though against smaller ships like the shrike, who are fast or almost as fast.  If the brel stops once, the romulan gets away.

Indeed - and not very many Romulan ships are fast - only the Leahval, Eresis, and Shrike are the top speeders. 

posted on May 5th, 2010, 8:49 pm

I've found that klingon vs klingon cloak detect can be difficult.  Lots of fast ships.  But the other guy can't detect you very well either, soo...

posted on May 5th, 2010, 9:38 pm

Ok ... Maybe Boggz needs to have something clarified:


  Does Manual Targeting (from either the B'rel or the Vupta) allow OTHER ships to fire on the cloaking vessel as well?  I was under the assumption that only ships with the Manual Targetting ability were able to continue firing.


  That would make a big difference and would change the conversation that Dominus and I had considerably

posted on May 5th, 2010, 9:42 pm

Yup, that's correct. It allows ALL other ships to fire at the cloaking vessel too

posted on May 5th, 2010, 10:00 pm

See Boggz, the Klingons learned from Star Trek VI.

Target that explosion and fire!

posted on May 5th, 2010, 10:28 pm

didnt work against the scimitar in nemesis though, and the scimitar was massive. just thought id use some canon to annoy people. i like the idea of manual targetting.

posted on May 5th, 2010, 10:32 pm

What they did in nemesis wasn't exactly manual targeting.  For that, you need Riker's joystick to come up from the floor.

posted on May 5th, 2010, 10:42 pm

Aha!

  So much makes more sense to me now about Klingon Cloak detect!!!!


  All this time I had read that update about Manual Targetting and assumed it meant that only the ships with Manual Targetting could continue firing.

    Practical experience ftw!

posted on May 5th, 2010, 10:44 pm

   So much makes more sense to me now about Klingon Cloak detect!!!!

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