How do you kill romulans?

posted on May 21st, 2010, 2:44 am

Okay i have recently tried to pick up klingons, and i have gotten better as it.  While i would definently not say im good, i would say im okay.

The problem here is that every game i play vs roms i loose, and this seems to stem from early klingon ships not doing shit vs roms.

One game i had like a 4v3 kbgs vs..... um rhiens? idk and i lost 1-2 kbgs and had to run, even with me using my special because i had already lost a ship and was taking to much damage, and my weapons literally seemed to bounce of the rommie hulls.

Same with kvorts, weapons dont seem to be effective, how do i kill roms?

posted on May 21st, 2010, 2:57 am

If Rhienns have their special researched (phase plates) they wipe the floor against beam and pulse weapon ships. You have to mix your ships with torpedo and beam weapons to be effective imo. I never play as the first Klingon avatar, only the Martok one as he gives access to the susa (the one with the dual torpedo armaments?) and I mix the Kbgs with the susas and they wipe the floor with rhienns. These 2 ships as a combo are very powerful as even if you retreat you can still return fire with the kbgs. Research both their specials and you should be fine against early game rhienns.

posted on May 21st, 2010, 3:03 am

thanks for the tips, i will try that, yep im sure they had phase plates, probably cus i was playing as taqroja....

posted on May 21st, 2010, 4:58 am

KBQ spam will steamroll Rommies.

  The KBQ is really proving itself to be the cake of 3.1.2 Klingons.

  B'rels are no counter for Rhienns.  Normal rhienns will use phase plates and ruin your b'rels.  You can't sit around and wait 30 seconds for them to turn off; you'll lose too many of the B'rels.  Disruptor Rhienns will also ruin your B'rels as it only takes a couple of multi-disruptors to render you very vulnerable to system damage.  Only the Torp Rhienns are really worth attacking with B'rels.  KBQ can fight through the phase plates because they are medium range.  Also, as soon as a rhienn loses it's shields a couple of HD or Drones from the KBQ's will almost always destroy it.

  The nice thing is that it's extremely hard for a Rhienn fleet to destroy KBQ's.  If you cloak when you lose your shields you'll be fine unless they have amassed a HUGE force of them.

  Kvorts will take care of most everything else.  The Leahvals will not be able to be produced in numbers large enough to stop a fleet of KBQ'd and will get nailed by the almighty HD/Drone.

  Really the B'rel is just too specialized given it's massive build time increase.  There's really no reason to build it as most long range ships you will encounter have a built-in counter:

T-15: Ablative Armor
Rhienns: Phase Plates (reduces 80% of short range damage)
Sabers:  Hyper Impulse increases dodge against Torp (taq) and Pulse (both)
Bombers:  Fast Tracking Computers / Bugs will target B'rels first
Dodes:  If they have double system disable you are DEAD, unless you risked it all and expanded twice.  Then the Scubes will shred your B'rels .

  KBQ man .... it's all about the KBQ.  You lose less, you kill more, and you do well against basically anything.

posted on May 21st, 2010, 5:14 am

Hmm didnt i just say i tried kbq and it didnt work?

yes i think i did, so lets see, your stratagy then is to try the kbq, which doesnt work.....

posted on May 21st, 2010, 5:24 am

I'm a big fan of going K'vort -> Vor'cha -> Negh'var, unless facing Borg or Dominion.  It's still rather quick to get teched to K'vort, and they stay at least fairly useful in mid to late game, so the supply is well spent.

The Shield Breaking torp is a life-saver against ships that are normally a horrid pain to kill for the Klingons.

The Vorcha, with it's Polaron Torp and powerful beam is good against everything, basically.  And the Neggy is the Neggy.

posted on May 21st, 2010, 6:47 am

I would have to agree with Silent93, the K'vort's are a good choice, they work rather well and can put up a pretty decent fight.  imo they do well when mixed with some susa's and/or Vorcha's.  and when the big guns are available i like to mix Negh's and Luspets.  but i haven't seen any real benefit to using the bortas or sang.  the sang seems to get mopped up pretty quick for a battleship, lol.

[Boggz]

posted on May 21st, 2010, 6:50 am

Last edited by Boggz on May 21st, 2010, 6:53 am, edited 1 time in total.

Hmm didnt i just say i tried kbq and it didnt work?

yes i think i did, so lets see, your stratagy then is to try the kbq, which doesnt work.....

Lol, Ray....
   
   Seriously?

That's it?  Just can't work?  Try again ...


EDIT: 

@ Silent:  although the shield breaking torp is fun, I don't find it as useful as the KBQ's special as a damage dealer.  The Torp works better as a disabler almost by knocking out subsystems.  If you don't cloak the KBQ's you can fire the special almost twice in a row.  Certainly twice within about 6 or 7 seconds.

  For the raw damage that you need to pop a Rhienn before it gets away, that's what I prescribe!

posted on May 21st, 2010, 1:12 pm

Kvorts will be wiped out by Generix and Rhienn fleets. The only  early-game ship as Boggz already said is the KBQ and it can be considered as OP in my oppionion because it can be easily spammed.

posted on May 21st, 2010, 1:47 pm

yes i think i did, so lets see, your stratagy then is to try the kbq, which doesnt work.....

the strategy 'use kbq' is hardly a strategy, its not even a build order. since boggz said he can use kbq effectively then its possible, just try harder

posted on May 21st, 2010, 3:33 pm

Kvorts will be wiped out by Generix and Rhienn fleets. The only  early-game ship as Boggz already said is the KBQ and it can be considered as OP in my oppionion because it can be easily spammed.

It may help that I also have no qualms about having my K'vort make a strafe and run back to repair immediately...under the cover of the Kahless Station's guns.  At least until the Vor'cha are on deck.  (With those supply purchase prices, every ship is like a perfect diamond if the game doesn't end early.)

posted on May 28th, 2010, 3:53 am

KBQ spam will steamroll Rommies.

   The KBQ is really proving itself to be the cake of 3.1.2 Klingons.

Yeah, its very sad unfortunately