Borg vs Romulans Early/Midgame

posted on July 27th, 2010, 5:57 pm

Hello, I want to know a good counteraction that is easily good in Early/Mid game era against the following mixed fleet.

- Rhienns (They eat your short range, dodge your torpedoes, cloak, and our run your ships)
- Leahvals (Their torpedoes can eat away borg ships, they have auto repair and Energy reeling. They also can cloak and out run some of the more sizable ships)
- Griffins (They reduce your hit chance thereby reducing potential DPS, they can cloak and out run the more sizable ships)
- Generix (Stocked Version, unrefited)
- Generix Dreadnought Refits

I simply want to know the best mix of fleets and the best modules to install to the ships I send out there.

[Anonymous]

posted on July 27th, 2010, 6:03 pm

Last edited by Anonymous on July 27th, 2010, 6:14 pm, edited 1 time in total.

leahvals dont have torps

griffins dont reduce hit chance. they just disable sensors and possibly weapons and deal a little damage, damage goes up for longer sensor range. a few griffins can easily collapse the shields of sabres.

a lot of fleets start with a couple rhienns, dont bother countering rhienns with your whole fleet as most rom players stop making them after a couple.

the weird thing here is that to get griffins/levals AND gens you need to build 2 labs, most people who make gens ignore the 1st lab (research inst) and make talshiar and only gens.

gens and levals are all medium range, dont be tempted to make adai as levals and gen supports will munch them. - forget about that, borg have no adai

torp heavy fleets wont fare well against gen spectres.

make a mixed fleet of stuff.

[Anonymous]

posted on July 27th, 2010, 6:06 pm

Last edited by Anonymous on July 27th, 2010, 6:15 pm, edited 1 time in total.

gens and levals are all medium range, dont be tempted to make adai as levals and gen supports will munch them. torp heavy fleets wont fare well against gen spectres.

Leahvals are short range as far as i remember

speaking about Leahvals i wouldn't worry much about there mixed tech version in early/mid game and if you let romulan enemy build them then its your fault you also need federation ally or constructor to gain access to Leahvals with torpedoes which seems to be impossible in borg vs romulan game

agains normal Leahvals i am not sure 

Rhiens are vulnerable to auto-assim beam but then build EM scube and you should be able to destroy/assimilate them as they retreat
perhaps scubes/probes with transwarp to jump on top of them

agaist Generix refits.. use spheres without torpedo module
unrefited Generix.. well i havent seen anybody using them unless home shipyard gets attacked

[Anonymous]

posted on July 27th, 2010, 6:55 pm

Last edited by Anonymous on July 27th, 2010, 7:07 pm, edited 1 time in total.

EM Scube(s) & 2 or more AutoAsims (3 Asim or 2 Asim versions) appear to be the bane of Early-Game Romulan ships.    The earlier you can get an Asim on the map, the better....as you're forcing Romulans to tech-up to Cehlaers or Norexans. 

Probably wouldn't hurt to throw-in a a few Dodecs (Double intercept or intercept/regen) to bump-up your fleet's offensive punch.

Also, be observant of any switch to Warbirds.  You'll need to be fielding Torp module units at that point.  Just be careful about the numbers of units with those, because Spectres specifically take 25% less damage from torpedo weaponry.

posted on July 27th, 2010, 9:16 pm

EM Scube(s) & 2 or more AutoAsims (3 Asim or 2 Asim versions) appear to be the bane of Early-Game Romulan ships.    The earlier you can get an Asim on the map, the better....as you're forcing Romulans to tech-up to Cehlaers or Norexans. 

not true, the roms can spam griffins, borg have no medium range counter. and the griffin's beams do equal damage to all ships. the griffins have large crews, making it very difficult to forcibly decrew them with assims.

posted on July 27th, 2010, 9:22 pm

Well Griffins might work if they would not die so fast...

posted on July 27th, 2010, 9:22 pm

a lot of fleets start with a couple rhienns, dont bother countering rhienns with your whole fleet as most rom players stop making them after a couple.

Rhienn Torpedo refit spam is devastating on Borg, I'm not sure of the exact number at which Rhienns make Spheres go boom, but I think it's just over 10.

[Anonymous]

posted on July 27th, 2010, 9:23 pm

Last edited by Anonymous on July 27th, 2010, 9:26 pm, edited 1 time in total.

Well Griffins might work if they would not die so fast...

if your enemy is going heavy auto assim they wont be heavy offense, meaning they wont be able to kill the griffins. griffins arent weak, they arent tanks, but they arent weak either.

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Rhienn Torpedo refit spam is devastating on Borg, I'm not sure of the exact number at which Rhienns make Spheres go boom, but I think it's just over 10.

those are expensive and have low crews, auto assims will munch them.

posted on July 27th, 2010, 9:30 pm

Which Assim Borg goes only Auto assims? Mostly they use one module only...since pure Autoassims die extremly fast. I think to counter Assims with Griffins you will need a least 4-5 per Assim...Thats also alot of Resources and time...

posted on July 27th, 2010, 9:34 pm

Which Assim Borg goes only Auto assims? Mostly they use one module only...since pure Autoassims die extremly fast. I think to counter Assims with Griffins you will need a least 4-5 per Assim...Thats also alot of Resources and time...

actually many assim players will go straight to assims, if done right its powerful.

read my point, if the enemy makes mostly auto assim then griffins work as their crew is high, if the enemy goes for weapons assims then do something else.

i have seen many players make several assims, all heavy with auto assim module. it can be a deadly strat if the enemy doesnt put out some high crew stuff or micro transporters well.

posted on July 27th, 2010, 9:34 pm

not true, the roms can spam griffins, borg have no medium range counter. and the griffin's beams do equal damage to all ships. the griffins have large crews, making it very difficult to forcibly decrew them with assims.

I'll have to try that, cause beat2k10 thrashed my Rhienn/Leahval fleet early-game yesterday.  Didn't even get a chance to tech-up to Torp Rhienns.  

posted on July 27th, 2010, 9:39 pm

Which Assim Borg goes only Auto assims?

Optimize.

posted on July 27th, 2010, 9:41 pm

Optimize.

lol is that a joke?

its assimilate borg which gets the boons to assimilators and go fast assims.

opti sometimes goes fast sphere, its risky, and pays off more in team games.

[Anonymous]

posted on July 27th, 2010, 9:57 pm

Last edited by Anonymous on July 27th, 2010, 10:03 pm, edited 1 time in total.

lol is that a joke?

Well, it wasn't until you said that...   :blush:

Apparently I need to update my Borg notes for 3.1.3, as I thought that was a valid build for Optimize.

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Borg Unit Analysis - The Hitchhiker's Guide to Fleet Operations

Is this wrong then?

posted on July 27th, 2010, 10:12 pm

Where do you see anything about build order in there?