Tuvok or Spock?

posted on December 12th, 2009, 3:47 pm

Hey all,

Love the mod been a member/donater for a while now!

I just gotta know who do you think would win in a fight Spock or Tuvok.
After you vote please explain why!

posted on December 12th, 2009, 3:51 pm

Spock, he is very stubborn and could spout enough flawed logic to kill several Vulcans.

posted on December 12th, 2009, 4:05 pm

Spock.  Tuvok has flawed discipline.  Flawed enough that he had to take the ultra remedial discipline and logic class with a private tutor.  Spock also has seen Kirk fight, so knows how to play dirty without resorting to psy-warfare.  Toss in all the stuff Spock survived with Kirk, and he's tougher than Tuvok, able to ignore injuries that would break a lesser Vulcan.

posted on December 12th, 2009, 4:51 pm

tuvok cos he is 100% original vulcan.
spocks got 50% weaker human in him.

posted on December 12th, 2009, 9:07 pm

Spock because he has the 50% "weaker" human in him.

posted on December 12th, 2009, 9:30 pm

It's that "weaker" side that has ironically made Spock one of the strongest Vulcans in Star Trek History.  Spock had far more ingenuity back in his day than Tuvok ever had.  Tuvok is far too rigid in his thinking, whereas Spock is very flexible and quick to adapt without violating his principles.  This is clearly shown when you compare the times they were in command while their captain was away.  So whether it's an enlightened debate or fisticuffs, Spock would win, and make it look easy.

posted on December 12th, 2009, 10:16 pm

It's that "weaker" side that has ironically made Spock one of the strongest Vulcans in Star Trek History.  Spock had far more ingenuity back in his day than Tuvok ever had.  Tuvok is far too rigid in his thinking, whereas Spock is very flexible and quick to adapt without violating his principles.  This is clearly shown when you compare the times they were in command while their captain was away.  So whether it's an enlightened debate or fisticuffs, Spock would win, and make it look easy.

*Speaks the truth* 

posted on December 12th, 2009, 11:30 pm

i agree spock would make a better captain, and would win in a ship to ship fight, but i believe the author of this thread is imagining a fist fight. i believe that tuvok would win because of the edge of the extra strength vulcans have. as much as you try to predict a fight and think up clever moves and stuff, most fist fights either end because of a lucky move, or degenerate into chaos where brute strength would help. this is in real life

on the other hand star trek is more than liberal with its application of fights with cool moves, thats cos its a tv show and normal fights arent really that entertaining. in real life the strength would count more than it does in star trek. i mean take the example of old man kirk laying the smack down on soren in generations.

[Tyler]

posted on December 12th, 2009, 11:34 pm

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in real life the strength would count more than it does in star trek. i mean take the example of old man kirk laying the smack down on soren in generations.

I wouldn't use Kirk Vs Soren for an example; Kirk is a member of the Military with combat training and actual experience, while Soren is a Scientist who happens to be much older than Kirk.

posted on December 12th, 2009, 11:49 pm

his species appears to live really long and be really strong over centuries, guinan was on earth before any of us were born, in the next gen she could still kick picards arse probably. then again even wesley crusher could probably kick picards arse  .

regardless of who kirk was fighting he was still doing monster moves, he only died when they dropped a bridge on him lol so much for dying alone  as he said in STV

[Anonymous]

posted on December 13th, 2009, 12:42 am

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While strength is important, it is not the single deciding factor in a fight.  History is full of examples of smaller guys taking on larger, stronger opponents and winning.  But enough about me, let's talk about Spock!

i believe that tuvok would win because of the edge of the extra strength vulcans have.

tuvok cos he is 100% original vulcan.
spocks got 50% weaker human in him.

You're assuming that Spock only has half a normal vulcan's strength because of his human mother.  But understanding simple Mendelian genetics helps us realize that even though two parents have different traits, it is usually the dominant one that gets expressed, with the other lying dormant. 

But what do we observe in Spock?  Almost all of his traits seem to come from his father.  Amanda is blonde, Spock is dark like his father's.  He has green blood, not red.  His mental capacities are as good as any Vulcan's.  His telepathic ability, something Vulcan's have but humans do not, is next to legendary.  Spock and Sarek look very much alike in their faces (thanks to good casting, but doesn't that imply a conscience decision to make them look the same?)

And then it comes to strength.  Vulcans are supposed to have 3 times the strength of humans.  Spock has demonstrated this over and over.  In the episode, "Bread and Circuses", Spock defeats a gladiator.  Mirror Spock almost overpowers several attackers at once.  We also see Spock destroy a communication monitor in "Amok Time" like it was paper mache .  This is not someone demonstrating human strength, but someone who clearly has the expressed genes of a Vulcan.

In fact the only trait we know of that comes from his mother are human emotions.  As it has already been established in the show, Vulcans feel emotion as well.  So really, the only difference is that Spock got picked on when he was a child because of his mother.  These instances are the only time we ever see Vulcans fighting each other, and when it happens, Spock kicks the shit out of whoever was taunting him.  I tried desperately to find a youtube clip of it, but couldn't.  But you know how hard core the fight scene was in Star Trek XI.  They were bigger, older, and "pure blood".  And the oldest became Spock's whipping boy.

So I stand by my original argument.  Spock from the TOS days is equally as strong, and a far more experienced fighter than Tuvok.  I mean, Spock took on a gladiator; what more do you want?

posted on December 13th, 2009, 12:58 am

Totally agree!

posted on December 13th, 2009, 1:16 am

And don't forget Spock's first death.  Klingons would sing songs for generations about a warrior tough enough to pull that off, rather than dying before the job was done.  Spock pretty much got all the good traits from both parents.  Yes, he got something 'weaker' from humans.  He got emotions that were useful instead of all-consuming deranged compulsions.  Beyond that, the only thing he could be said to have gotten from humans is adaptability.

posted on December 13th, 2009, 1:21 am

Crap!  I forgot about that!!!

Ok, I'm crediting Silent for this, but the last paragraph of my last post should have gone something like this:

"So I stand by my original argument.  Spock from the TOS days is equally as strong, and a far more experienced fighter than Tuvok.  I mean, Spock rose from the dead; what more do you want? "

posted on December 13th, 2009, 1:47 am

I said Tuvok I mean cmon the guy put up with Neelix and Janeway for 7 years I mean that must make him one of the strongest beings in the galaxy