Tholians vs Dominion
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posted on November 10th, 2009, 2:51 pm
Who'd you think would win considering the idea that Tholians still use their Tholian webs?
posted on November 10th, 2009, 2:54 pm
Dominion, no contest. The only thing the Tholians have going for them is the web, and the Dominion won't give them time to use it.
posted on November 10th, 2009, 10:11 pm
Plus the Tholian empire is extremely small compared to the Dominion...
posted on November 13th, 2009, 1:36 am
I do agree, the Dominion is pretty powerful compared to the Tholians. The Tholians do have some nice weapons, but if some Dominion vessels were maybe ambushed, the webs would destroy them without time to react. Remember, the web generater probably works like that in Star Trek: Enterprise, not in TOS with the Tholians taking a half hour to make the web.
posted on November 13th, 2009, 7:41 am
Fralo wrote: Remember, the web generater probably works like that in Star Trek: Enterprise, not in TOS with the Tholians taking a half hour to make the web.

Good times
posted on November 13th, 2009, 2:22 pm

Though I can't seem to find out why I can't create it like that...

posted on November 13th, 2009, 5:02 pm
The Tholian Assembly isn't that small, it is just that starfleet did not explore it that much, I think. However, the Tholians must have had their reasons to sign a non-aggression treaty with the Dominion
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Furthermore I think the Tholians would rather help the Dominion than fighting against it, the founders would try to get them on their side, due to the fact that they couldn't really conwuer that nasty Tholian homeworld.

Furthermore I think the Tholians would rather help the Dominion than fighting against it, the founders would try to get them on their side, due to the fact that they couldn't really conwuer that nasty Tholian homeworld.
posted on November 13th, 2009, 6:10 pm
Lt. Cmdr. Marian Hope wrote:The Tholian Assembly isn't that small, it is just that starfleet did not explore it that much, I think. However, the Tholians must have had their reasons to sign a non-aggression treaty with the Dominion.
Furthermore I think the Tholians would rather help the Dominion than fighting against it, the founders would try to get them on their side, due to the fact that they couldn't really conwuer that nasty Tholian homeworld.
Are we talking about FO Tholians, or within the "canon" StarTrek timeline?
posted on November 13th, 2009, 6:13 pm
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i dont know about not being able to target the ships making it. what would stop people from Using them aginst starbases?
posted on November 13th, 2009, 6:18 pm
Lt. Cmdr. Marian Hope wrote:the founders would try to get them on their side, due to the fact that they couldn't really conwuer that nasty Tholian homeworld.
If they can't conquer a world, they bombard it from orbit and slaughter every living thing on it. They ally with people that have something to offer, not people who come from 'mildly discomforting' planets.
posted on November 13th, 2009, 11:10 pm
What about the Tholian's weapons? I think they used some kind of plasma weapons. Couldn't they also have cloaking devices too? Perhaps, but maybe the Tholians have their own SUPER MEGA 5 KILOMETER DREADNAUGHT! MWAHAHAHA! Okay, well maybe not, but I suspect that the Tholians would have more than that one class of ship. Maybe some battleships and dreadnaught bigger than that, and no doubt some much better web spinning tech. Maybe even torpedoes that could generate webs! They would be really effective.
posted on November 16th, 2009, 2:04 pm
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Okay... since no game has ever refered to the name of canon Tholian weapons (at least, none I played), I decided to come up with some.
//Beam Weapons
Phased Energy Beams are a common beam weapon of the Tholians. These beams can cause relatively equivelent damage of a Federation phaser. The only real problem is because of the Tholian vessel's high quantities of use of crystals in their hull, it is uncommon to see these extend beyond medium range.
Izione Beams are a more useful for long range due to the fact that these beams can still be accurately emmitted through solid crystal and maintain its long range capabilities thanks to its special property to refocus itself without the need of an exterior lens. Yet these are still in limited production due to the Tholians lack of ships compatible with it.
//Pulse Weapons
Phased Energy Pulses unlike pulsed phasers can go a much longer range due to it being a shot instead of a prolonged beam. Unfortunately because of this, it has the down side of a lower accuracy than most pulse weapons. But the Tholians have made up for this by making their pulses cause greter damage per hit.
Thorilon Pulses are a very powerful pulse weapon. But these pulses, though accurate, sap a lot more energy than even a Heavy Phased Energy Beam. Because of this it is only installed on large structures such as the Hive (when upgraded).
//Torpedo Weapons
Phased Plasma Torpedoes are weapons that were no longer mass produced ever since conflicts between the Federation and Romulans grew shortly after the destruction of the Enterprise 1701-C. One reason was the fact that these weapons were based off of the Romulan's older Plasma Torpedoes and were extremely short ranged. Another reason was because shield technology of the other races were speedingly increasing in strength. This is why the weapon is now limited to extremely old designs because of the fact that these torpedoes are now nearly obsolete against current shield technology.
Kyrlax Torpedoes are a newly found weapon that has been quickly implemnted into all modern designs because of its many specialties. First used in 2373, these torpedoes have been found as a most effective weapon against enemy vessels. The first reason is its amazing efficiency, Seven torpedo shots would only take the same energy to fire as one Federtion Photon Torpedo launch. The second reason is the fact that the Kyrlax particles have a low level, natural, attraction to ship's hulls, especially Federation and Dominion hulls, making it nearly impossible to miss the target. And the Third reason is because the biproducts from the process used to make these Kyrlax particles is infact 100% compatible matter for the Tholian's cores, making these Torpedoes processing also a source of fuel for their cores.
Well, I think that will be a good intel report for the Tholians in my currently in-progress project.
Any comments are appreciated.
//Beam Weapons
Phased Energy Beams are a common beam weapon of the Tholians. These beams can cause relatively equivelent damage of a Federation phaser. The only real problem is because of the Tholian vessel's high quantities of use of crystals in their hull, it is uncommon to see these extend beyond medium range.
Izione Beams are a more useful for long range due to the fact that these beams can still be accurately emmitted through solid crystal and maintain its long range capabilities thanks to its special property to refocus itself without the need of an exterior lens. Yet these are still in limited production due to the Tholians lack of ships compatible with it.
//Pulse Weapons
Phased Energy Pulses unlike pulsed phasers can go a much longer range due to it being a shot instead of a prolonged beam. Unfortunately because of this, it has the down side of a lower accuracy than most pulse weapons. But the Tholians have made up for this by making their pulses cause greter damage per hit.
Thorilon Pulses are a very powerful pulse weapon. But these pulses, though accurate, sap a lot more energy than even a Heavy Phased Energy Beam. Because of this it is only installed on large structures such as the Hive (when upgraded).
//Torpedo Weapons
Phased Plasma Torpedoes are weapons that were no longer mass produced ever since conflicts between the Federation and Romulans grew shortly after the destruction of the Enterprise 1701-C. One reason was the fact that these weapons were based off of the Romulan's older Plasma Torpedoes and were extremely short ranged. Another reason was because shield technology of the other races were speedingly increasing in strength. This is why the weapon is now limited to extremely old designs because of the fact that these torpedoes are now nearly obsolete against current shield technology.
Kyrlax Torpedoes are a newly found weapon that has been quickly implemnted into all modern designs because of its many specialties. First used in 2373, these torpedoes have been found as a most effective weapon against enemy vessels. The first reason is its amazing efficiency, Seven torpedo shots would only take the same energy to fire as one Federtion Photon Torpedo launch. The second reason is the fact that the Kyrlax particles have a low level, natural, attraction to ship's hulls, especially Federation and Dominion hulls, making it nearly impossible to miss the target. And the Third reason is because the biproducts from the process used to make these Kyrlax particles is infact 100% compatible matter for the Tholian's cores, making these Torpedoes processing also a source of fuel for their cores.
Well, I think that will be a good intel report for the Tholians in my currently in-progress project.

posted on November 22nd, 2009, 7:38 am
The Tholians, by canon, dabble in multiphasic and temporal technology, actually -raiding- the future for technology, as well as intentionally and precisely opening dimensional rifts to 'acquire' new technology. Tear open a hole, lure a ship through, and straight into a web, let the web drain it of all power, board it once the crew has died from life-support failure, and take what they want.
I think the Dominion was interested in peace with them because they have some terrifying weapons systems (and willingly use Tricobalt weapons...as tools to open dimensional rifts) and the Tholians are violently xenophobic.
From the Tholian front, if they have non-aggression with the Dominion, they can keep all those other races the fuck out of their space.
I think the Dominion was interested in peace with them because they have some terrifying weapons systems (and willingly use Tricobalt weapons...as tools to open dimensional rifts) and the Tholians are violently xenophobic.
From the Tholian front, if they have non-aggression with the Dominion, they can keep all those other races the fuck out of their space.
posted on November 22nd, 2009, 9:53 am
Gamer, you have knack for overpowering species 
Correct me if I'm wrong but the Tholians during the FO timeline are not a dominant power, if they had these so called Kyrlax torpedo's I dare say this would contradict there place within the galaxy...

Correct me if I'm wrong but the Tholians during the FO timeline are not a dominant power, if they had these so called Kyrlax torpedo's I dare say this would contradict there place within the galaxy...
posted on November 22nd, 2009, 9:57 am
Ok Gamer just read that Kyrlax bit again, and to me it seems like you're just chucking things at them in a bid to raise there power within the galaxy.
Hey, let's not only give them powerful torpedos that never miss, lets say they can use it for fuel too...
See my point?
Believe me i like the idea of having Tholians in, but not if they can rival the Federation all on there lonesome
Hey, let's not only give them powerful torpedos that never miss, lets say they can use it for fuel too...
See my point?
Believe me i like the idea of having Tholians in, but not if they can rival the Federation all on there lonesome

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