The typhon pact

posted on December 1st, 2010, 1:36 am

well it's been a while since coming to here , but i just wanted to ask you did any of you read the typhon pact novels yet ? i really liked and i think at leaast the first novel was great would like to here your thoughts about the subject?

and furthermore do you think the typhon pact should be a power in fleet operations?

posted on December 1st, 2010, 2:37 am

First I've heard from them.

Give us more info to base our decision on.

posted on December 1st, 2010, 9:32 am

well without divulging any spoilers what i can say  is that an alliance of former  federation enemyys is formed and they even have a unified vurrency .
the powers are the the tholians , the breen , the tazankathy , the gorn and the romulan star empire.

Zero Sum Game - Memory Beta, non-canon Star Trek Wiki

posted on December 1st, 2010, 1:03 pm

The Typhon pact novels are sequel and crossovers from the latest TNG,  Titan, DS9 and Voyager novels

youd have to read the  Destiny series to know whats going on in Typhon pact. 


@ shostak  Fleet Ops takes place in a different universe than the novels  think of Fleet ops as on of the  Myriad Universes  :p


@ andre  note that in the Typhon pact novels there are  2 Romulan Empires  Donatra's  Imperial Romulan State and the Romulan Star Empire  the IRS is actually more powerful than the RSE


Im still trying to figure out if the Mogai class in the Novels is the Valdore/Norexian or another class...

posted on December 1st, 2010, 1:19 pm

The Typhon pact seems rather far fetched. Several xenophobic empires combining against a common foe?

It's almost as ridiculous as a super cube which absorbs a sun. The novels need another antagonist now that the dominion and borg are (temporary) out of the loop, but really??

posted on December 1st, 2010, 1:24 pm

The Typhon pact seems rather far fetched. Several xenophobic empires combining against a common foe?

It's almost as ridiculous as a super cube which absorbs a sun. The novels need another antagonist now that the dominion and borg are (temporary) out of the loop, but really??

That's because as an author, you have to be creative sometimes and many novel-writers are not. Noone told them "You cannot invent a new race or an interesting plot around one of the less frequently seen but very potential races from Star Trek."

Poor writing to make the left popular major powers a big alliance of paranoids.

posted on December 1st, 2010, 1:53 pm

The Typhon pact novels are sequel and crossovers from the latest TNG,  Titan, DS9 and Voyager novels

youd have to read the  Destiny series to know whats going on in Typhon pact. 


@ shostak  Fleet Ops takes place in a different universe than the novels  think of Fleet ops as on of the  Myriad Universes  :p


@ andre   note that in the Typhon pact novels there are  2 Romulan Empires   Donatra's  Imperial Romulan State and the Romulan Star Empire  the IRS is actually more powerful than the RSE


Im still trying to figure out if the Mogai class in the Novels is the Valdore/Norexian or another class...

I think the mugai  is equivlant to the valdor. but i don't know.

[Tyler]

posted on December 1st, 2010, 1:56 pm

Last edited by Tyler on December 1st, 2010, 1:59 pm, edited 1 time in total.

Mogai class. Apparently, it is the Norexan Class (IRW Valdore).

Which reminds me of something in Memory Alpha:

In his blog, John Eaves has stated: "It was always called the Valdore-class in what we were doing! and this was the signature Valdore!"

posted on December 1st, 2010, 9:17 pm

The Typhon pact seems rather far fetched. Several xenophobic empires combining against a common foe?

It's almost as ridiculous as a super cube which absorbs a sun. The novels need another antagonist now that the dominion and borg are (temporary) out of the loop, but really??

Xenophobic Empires have allied before against a common perceived foe  a LOT of the Warsaw pact countries did not like "outsiders"  but they hated the  Western Imperialists Capitlists Pigs more than each other so they allied up and were for the most part one big country "Soviet Union" sure theyre governments were just puppets of Moscow but its close enough..   

NOTHING is more ridiculous than that Super Living cube that ate planets and suns... that was a horrid novel nearly as bad as Shatners novels.  most of the novels in the past year or 2 have been FAR FAR better or I wouldnt be reading them.   

It does seem like Trek Authors are kinda scared to invent new races or even go back to old little seen or heard from races as antagonists    what ever happend to the Parasite aliens from TNG  "Conspiracy" i think it was  what about the Whale Probe aliens  hell what about the machine planet that V'Ger found  I for one do not think V'Ger encountered the Borg it was soem other machine race.  Ill try to talk to David and Keith about that.

posted on December 1st, 2010, 9:51 pm

what ever happend to the Parasite aliens from TNG  "Conspiracy" i think it was   what about the Whale Probe aliens   hell what about the machine planet that V'Ger found  I for one do not think V'Ger encountered the Borg it was soem other machine race.

The parasites were featured in the DS9 relaunch series, I believe the whale probe aliens were featured again in a novel called 'Probe'....

As for the Typhon Pact, I loved Zero Sum Game and am in the process of reading Seize the Fire now and loving that too...

I don't think Trek writers are that bad with creating new races - Titan has seen the introduction of a race of AIs, intelligent fish, the reintroduction of the Star-Jellies from Farpoint along with the Crystalline Entities...

The 'A Time To...' series also introduced a lot of new races - the Ontalians, the Tezwans, along with various others.

Destiny was mainly focused around the Borg, but still introduced and fleshed out the Caeliar...

As regards the Typhon Pact - the Breen have shown that they've been willing to ally with others before (the Dominion, anyone?), the Romulans will ally with people if it's in their own interests (Klingon-Romulan alliance, alliance with the Federation and Klingons during the Dominion War), we've seen the Gorn maybe once or twice so really we don't know that they're xenophobic...the only ones in the Pact who you could really say that about from what we've seen (and heard) are the Tzenkethi and the Tholians.

Also, the first two Typhon Pact books have focused on the Breen and the Gorn, 2 races we don't know a great deal about - therefore, in a way, it's almost like exploring a new race since we had so little information about them to begin with. The third book seems to be focused on the Tzenkethi, which is a similar situation.

As for the supercube, I completely agree on that one  Along with Jellico's flip comment after the Pluto incident 

posted on December 1st, 2010, 10:45 pm

The parasites were featured in the DS9 relaunch series, I believe the whale probe aliens were featured again in a novel called 'Probe'....

As for the Typhon Pact, I loved Zero Sum Game and am in the process of reading Seize the Fire now and loving that too...

I don't think Trek writers are that bad with creating new races - Titan has seen the introduction of a race of AIs, intelligent fish, the reintroduction of the Star-Jellies from Farpoint along with the Crystalline Entities...

The 'A Time To...' series also introduced a lot of new races - the Ontalians, the Tezwans, along with various others.

Destiny was mainly focused around the Borg, but still introduced and fleshed out the Caeliar...

As regards the Typhon Pact - the Breen have shown that they've been willing to ally with others before (the Dominion, anyone?), the Romulans will ally with people if it's in their own interests (Klingon-Romulan alliance, alliance with the Federation and Klingons during the Dominion War), we've seen the Gorn maybe once or twice so really we don't know that they're xenophobic...the only ones in the Pact who you could really say that about from what we've seen (and heard) are the Tzenkethi and the Tholians.

Also, the first two Typhon Pact books have focused on the Breen and the Gorn, 2 races we don't know a great deal about - therefore, in a way, it's almost like exploring a new race since we had so little information about them to begin with. The third book seems to be focused on the Tzenkethi, which is a similar situation.

As for the supercube, I completely agree on that one  Along with Jellico's flip comment after the Pluto incident 

About that gargentuan super cube i really like it and how the borg evolved  , i think before dishonour was a good novel the major problem was the killed off janeway that was heartwrenching i really loved how 7 of nine was a major character there.

posted on December 1st, 2010, 11:11 pm

7 of nine is no character. It is Jeri Ryan pumping out catchphrases in a star trek show which make her artificially sound like something a Trekkie might recognize as a Borg.
However I don't remember Picard saying something like "Enterprise is my collective" after he was rescued from the hive ( I think it's not important how long someone is in the collective as Voyager claimed. Being in the hive would have the same effect no matter how long someone was assimilated since a drone cannot get used to something like seven obviously appeared to be used to be a drone ). Ridiculous writing without any intelligent thought behind, if you ask me. 

posted on December 1st, 2010, 11:23 pm

7/9 wasnt a character, she was a pin up

a way to make men watch the show again.

[Tyler]

posted on December 1st, 2010, 11:24 pm

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If a person was assimilated as a child and spent all their life as a drone, how would they know about being a person when 'drone' is all they've ever been? It's no different to growing up with human values on Earth, then trying to learn to be a Klingon as an adult.

The 'bad writing' was that damn "Is this for their sake, or yours?" that you hear every damn time she has a part in the plot. I know she was meant as fanservice, but could they really only come up with 1 motivation for everything?

posted on December 3rd, 2010, 7:02 am

Xenophobic Empires have allied before against a common perceived foe  a LOT of the Warsaw pact countries did not like "outsiders"  but they hated the  Western Imperialists Capitlists Pigs more than each other so they allied up and were for the most part one big country "Soviet Union" sure theyre governments were just puppets of Moscow but its close enough..   

NOTHING is more ridiculous than that Super Living cube that ate planets and suns... that was a horrid novel nearly as bad as Shatners novels.  most of the novels in the past year or 2 have been FAR FAR better or I wouldnt be reading them.     

It does seem like Trek Authors are kinda scared to invent new races or even go back to old little seen or heard from races as antagonists    what ever happend to the Parasite aliens from TNG  "Conspiracy" i think it was   what about the Whale Probe aliens   hell what about the machine planet that V'Ger found  I for one do not think V'Ger encountered the Borg it was soem other machine race.  Ill try to talk to David and Keith about that.

Warsaw pact countries often didnt have a choice as well, as they'd been conquored by the USSR.


And I say no to the Typhoon pact books impacting fleet ops.

1- I seem to recall that for ST:Phase II (the aborted second TOS trek series that became the first movie) there were plans to have a Gorn crewmember (plus a Horta) make an occasional appareance, with the explination being that the Gorn became vauge allies with the Federation, plus other stuff I've read has gave the impression that while they were not considering joining the Federation, tehy were at least freindly to it.

2- The whole poorly done tie in between Enterprise and the birth of the Borg. It's like the Author got told 'oh, right, you also need to tie this into Enterprise too.' at the last minute.

It's a shame too, Up til this I enjoied the Titan Novels, and reading about Dax's ship would be cool




Instead, it's became 'teh borg are zerg rushing us with cubes oh shi' plus any power not fully over any past border incident with teh Federation (which is what the Federation incident with the Gorn ammounted to) combining forces to act as a group with overly complicated plots.

They could have easily followed the New Frontier novels (Peter David should get the next TV series, he knows trek, and he knows how to write) example and just had it be small scale, a lone ship, or a few ships, on the outskirts or outside the Federation, having to face the risks alone without backup.

With the quality of writing seen you'd think the next thing done would be to have Riker head off to find the Triforce.....


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