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posted on September 26th, 2010, 8:56 am
I was wondering, where do you think the differenct races will be in the future, such as feds, borg, romulan, klingons,
And by future i dont mean in fo, i mean theoretically in star trek,
do you think borg will have assimilated all or not?
Post on one race, or on a number of races, im just curious to here everyones ideas
And by future i dont mean in fo, i mean theoretically in star trek,
do you think borg will have assimilated all or not?
Post on one race, or on a number of races, im just curious to here everyones ideas
posted on September 26th, 2010, 9:54 am
Its hard to say because of the bloody farce of JJ Abhrams. If they continue with the reboot timeline then anything could happen.
Even in the standard timeline things are so much in flux. It was bad enough with all the time travel changing things before but when Enterprise was aired it showed that the future was even more in flux.
However....
I think the Borg will eventually be nullified if not completely destroyed. If just Voyager can devise a weapon that will spread throughout the collective and destroy it then i'm pretty sure that the Fed/Roms/Klingons could find something as well. Just a matter of time. If it is the feds they will probably look for some way of reverting the drones to their original selves or at least making them individuals like Hugh.
Fed will remain a power assimilating welcoming more and more races into the Fed.
Klingons will never fully join the federation but relationships will continue running hot/cold depending on who hold the power in the Klingon high council. I wouldn't envision a return to war between the Fed and Klingons tough.
Romulans despite the progress made in relations will never join the Federation and would only welcome he federation as subjects to their own empire. They will continue to grow and one day i think we can expect all out conflict between the Fed and the Roms.
If there are to be new films/series set in the future of Voyager I would expect the creators to come up with a new bogeyman or make the Romulans that enemy.
Even in the standard timeline things are so much in flux. It was bad enough with all the time travel changing things before but when Enterprise was aired it showed that the future was even more in flux.
However....
I think the Borg will eventually be nullified if not completely destroyed. If just Voyager can devise a weapon that will spread throughout the collective and destroy it then i'm pretty sure that the Fed/Roms/Klingons could find something as well. Just a matter of time. If it is the feds they will probably look for some way of reverting the drones to their original selves or at least making them individuals like Hugh.
Fed will remain a power assimilating welcoming more and more races into the Fed.
Klingons will never fully join the federation but relationships will continue running hot/cold depending on who hold the power in the Klingon high council. I wouldn't envision a return to war between the Fed and Klingons tough.
Romulans despite the progress made in relations will never join the Federation and would only welcome he federation as subjects to their own empire. They will continue to grow and one day i think we can expect all out conflict between the Fed and the Roms.
If there are to be new films/series set in the future of Voyager I would expect the creators to come up with a new bogeyman or make the Romulans that enemy.
posted on September 27th, 2010, 8:35 pm
Yes, we should ignore the effects of the Abrams Space-Time anomaly in this thread.
I have to agree. I bet the Borg will try a mass invasion of the Alpha/Beta quadrants but ultimately fail because of the second great Federation-Klingon-Romulan alliance. The Federation will definitely continue to expand, but they don't force people to join. The Klingons would flat out refuse to join the Federation, lest they be "tamed" but relations will probably be stable. I bet the Federation makes contact with the Tholians again. They will probably gain a fair amount of territory in the Gamma quadrant and the deep Beta quadrant. If it reaches the point that the Federation starts pushed the Borg back into the Delta quadrant, they might even expand into the Delta quadrant as well.
The Romulans will either agree to reunification at some point, or dissolve as the Federation completely encompasses them. I doubt they will try for an all out attack on the Federation. They already went to war once with the Federation and they didn't exactly win. The Romulans know that the Federation is much stronger than them, militarily, politically, and technologically. The whole Shinzon incident was enough to upset Romulan affairs enough that it would be at least ten years before their government is stable. It's not impossible thoguht, that the Shinzon incident precipitates better Federation-Romulan relations. The Romulans also know that a war with the Federation would mean a war with the Klingons who would take the opportunity to strike the Romulans as well.
The Cardassians will probably end up either as a 3rd rate power or dissolve into the Federation. The Ferengi will continue being the Ferengi, but will probably have increased relations with the Federation and under go some major social changes.
I have to agree. I bet the Borg will try a mass invasion of the Alpha/Beta quadrants but ultimately fail because of the second great Federation-Klingon-Romulan alliance. The Federation will definitely continue to expand, but they don't force people to join. The Klingons would flat out refuse to join the Federation, lest they be "tamed" but relations will probably be stable. I bet the Federation makes contact with the Tholians again. They will probably gain a fair amount of territory in the Gamma quadrant and the deep Beta quadrant. If it reaches the point that the Federation starts pushed the Borg back into the Delta quadrant, they might even expand into the Delta quadrant as well.
The Romulans will either agree to reunification at some point, or dissolve as the Federation completely encompasses them. I doubt they will try for an all out attack on the Federation. They already went to war once with the Federation and they didn't exactly win. The Romulans know that the Federation is much stronger than them, militarily, politically, and technologically. The whole Shinzon incident was enough to upset Romulan affairs enough that it would be at least ten years before their government is stable. It's not impossible thoguht, that the Shinzon incident precipitates better Federation-Romulan relations. The Romulans also know that a war with the Federation would mean a war with the Klingons who would take the opportunity to strike the Romulans as well.
The Cardassians will probably end up either as a 3rd rate power or dissolve into the Federation. The Ferengi will continue being the Ferengi, but will probably have increased relations with the Federation and under go some major social changes.
posted on September 27th, 2010, 8:55 pm
well we dont know how much of the borg collective was destroyed by the virus in endgame.
we dont know how weak the collective is. they definitely dont have transwarp corridors or the unicomplex.
but they may have ships and other bases that werent killed.
the romulans probably are at peace with the feds, that was the implied future at the end of nemesis.
the klinks are probably at peace with feds too. martok seemed like the most sane chancellor for a while.
the ferengi already had reform going, becoming more like hew-mons. rom is the new nagus, with a crude infant democracy and a fledgeling welfare system.
the cardassians are weakened at least to the point of not being a military power. but we dont know how much of their population was exterminated. we know that damage to their homeworld was extensive, but we dont know if the order to kill all spoon heads went out to the colonies. and even if the order reached the colonies, they probably didn't have ships in orbit to kill them all. but they probably arent in a state where they can win a war with anyone but a convoy of tribbles.
as for fleetops, the fleetops story splits from voyager's continuity during a middle season of voyager i think. so the borg never got their arses kicked.
we dont know how weak the collective is. they definitely dont have transwarp corridors or the unicomplex.
but they may have ships and other bases that werent killed.
the romulans probably are at peace with the feds, that was the implied future at the end of nemesis.
the klinks are probably at peace with feds too. martok seemed like the most sane chancellor for a while.
the ferengi already had reform going, becoming more like hew-mons. rom is the new nagus, with a crude infant democracy and a fledgeling welfare system.
the cardassians are weakened at least to the point of not being a military power. but we dont know how much of their population was exterminated. we know that damage to their homeworld was extensive, but we dont know if the order to kill all spoon heads went out to the colonies. and even if the order reached the colonies, they probably didn't have ships in orbit to kill them all. but they probably arent in a state where they can win a war with anyone but a convoy of tribbles.
as for fleetops, the fleetops story splits from voyager's continuity during a middle season of voyager i think. so the borg never got their arses kicked.
posted on September 27th, 2010, 8:57 pm
Myles wrote:they definitely dont have transwarp corridors or the unicomplex.
They still have 5 Transwarp Hubs left after that one was destroyed.
posted on September 27th, 2010, 9:01 pm
Tyler wrote:They still have 5 Transwarp Hubs left after that one was destroyed.
in endgame they implied that the funny thing they did would kill all the transwarp things not just the one hub.
posted on September 27th, 2010, 9:04 pm
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That would make it possible they lost them all, rather than definate. I don't see why the others would be effected, though; disrupting the gates on that hub shouldn't effect others since they're not likely to be connected in any way except the standard collective mind.
posted on September 27th, 2010, 9:14 pm
Tyler wrote:That would make it possible they lost them all, rather than definate. I don't see why the others would be effected, though; disrupting the gates on that hub shouldn't effect others since they're not likely to be connected in any way except the standard collective mind.
well how did shooting the apertures blow up all that hub or the other apertures nearby? much of it was confusing in that ep
its possible that virus nuked the whole collective. the unicomplex was destroyed.
posted on September 27th, 2010, 9:18 pm
It was a Voyager episode, so the others dying was probably plot convenience or for looks.
posted on September 27th, 2010, 9:29 pm
we know for a fact that voyager hit one of the apertures near the hub and blew it up, then according to dialogue, the shockwave killed all the rest.
the only reason they broke the borg shields was cos the queen had the flu at that moment and wasnt paying attention.
now this shockwave seemed to go all the way to the alpha quadrant, blowing up apertures all along the conduits in every conduit.
the borg transwarp conduit network is probably one big network, rather than 6 separate networks. it is more efficient to have the conduits set up so that u can get from 1 place to another via conduits without gaps. so the shockwave should have gone around all the conduits and hubs, killing them all.
from memory alpha we have these bits:
from this it seems that the whole collective is no longer talking to eachother. which would make them all stupid and docile.
we dont know how much the borg rely on the queen/unicomplex to network. voyager makes it seem like they are very important. but the whole de-centralised nature of the borg hive mind would suggest that the hive mind would survive as long as the drones on all those cubes arent destroyed. so its possible that all those cubes/spheres etc renetworked and the hive mind survived. just maybe with less adaption power.
we know for sure that at least 1 hub was nuked, and i think its likely that all the conduits were blown up too. leaving the borg with no transwarp conduits.
but we also saw in voyager that ships with transwarp coils dont need corridors to go to transwarp, which is annoying.
the only reason they broke the borg shields was cos the queen had the flu at that moment and wasnt paying attention.
now this shockwave seemed to go all the way to the alpha quadrant, blowing up apertures all along the conduits in every conduit.
the borg transwarp conduit network is probably one big network, rather than 6 separate networks. it is more efficient to have the conduits set up so that u can get from 1 place to another via conduits without gaps. so the shockwave should have gone around all the conduits and hubs, killing them all.
from memory alpha we have these bits:
By assimilating Janeway, the Queen had contracted the neurolytic pathogen she carried in her bloodstream. That pathogen is now in her, and racing throughout the Collective
The explosion cascades throughout the entire complex, killing the trillions of drones there, shattering the already broken hive mind.
from this it seems that the whole collective is no longer talking to eachother. which would make them all stupid and docile.
we dont know how much the borg rely on the queen/unicomplex to network. voyager makes it seem like they are very important. but the whole de-centralised nature of the borg hive mind would suggest that the hive mind would survive as long as the drones on all those cubes arent destroyed. so its possible that all those cubes/spheres etc renetworked and the hive mind survived. just maybe with less adaption power.
we know for sure that at least 1 hub was nuked, and i think its likely that all the conduits were blown up too. leaving the borg with no transwarp conduits.
but we also saw in voyager that ships with transwarp coils dont need corridors to go to transwarp, which is annoying.
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