Star Wars vs. Star Trek, and so on.

posted on August 20th, 2009, 7:53 am

Pah!
Why War or Trek when you can Control?

posted on August 20th, 2009, 8:17 am

i remember in the star trek technical manual that the bird of prey had 400 some crew.    well the technical manual said it so it must be true.

The Technical Manuals aren't canon for the purposes of debating Trek vs Wars in the first place...

noone and i mean noone has consistent numbers.  the above poster quoted the damage of the torpedoes but if i check out other sites star wars weapons and shields are measured into several gigajewells versus star treks megajewells or whatever they hell they were

They're called Joules, mate and exactly which site did you get these figures from, anyway?

i prefer star wars for one simple reason.  the outfits...........noone and i mean noone in the star trek universe comes close to princess leia in the gold bikini.

So you're saying the Empire would defeat the Federation in a war because the Empire has better outfits... Outfits that restrict one's field of vision and provide almost no protection whatsoever....

ST-v-SW.Net :: Stormtrooper Armor

[nathanj]

posted on August 20th, 2009, 8:54 am

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um.........as for the outfits did you take that statement literally.......i kinda figured that the gold bikini was a dead give away.   :lol:   although star trek doesnt fair much better since they dont even have pockets.

you say that the technical manuals arent canon for debate purposes......why.  cause you dont like what they say.  im sorry but you cant pick and choose what sources match up to what.......i dont like what this book says about star trek technology but i like what this other book says so ill just ignore the first one.  you either take them all or you dont take any of them.  thats why the whole debate is hogwash.  as for the website it was probably one of the many that popped up on google when i did a quick search for it.  the one thing i remembered was that supposedly an acclamator had more firepower than the new star trek ships.  i find this suspect because i have watched star wars.......many times and i dont recall anyone mentioning how powerful turbolasers were.  if it came from a book then it is suspect because authors are all over the place.

as for being canon, technically the only thing that is canon is the tv shows or in the case of star wars the movies.  anything outside of that like books or manuals is suspect.  and since neither star trek nor star was is specific as to their technology in a lot of areas,  then it ends up being a made up debate. 

if im a huge star wars fan i could just right a book and say somewhere in there that ISD shields are capable of protecting them from the corona of a star.  all of a sudden that makes them better than the shields from star trek.  the only thing star trek had was metaphasic shields and those werent stable.  or i could say that the klingons developed a omega particle torpedos and wala now star trek has the most powerful weapons capable of destroying whole solar systems.  thats why i dont think book material should be included at all.  star wars gets the deathstar and star trek gets the genesis device and the trilithium compound that the romulans made to blow up stars, and thats it.

honestly, the people that endlessly debate who would win are a bit silly when they get to serious with it.

there was even a site where someone was writing about what size constituted a small town being destroyed when discussing the power of a turbolaser.   :blink:  i mean come on at that point its time to get a girlfriend and move out of moms basement.   :lol:

posted on August 20th, 2009, 11:28 am

you say that the technical manuals arent canon for debate purposes......why.  cause you dont like what they say.

No, I say the technical manuals aren't canon for debating purposes because they were never canon for any purpose!

.......i dont like what this book says about star trek technology but i like what this other book says so ill just ignore the first one.  you either take them all or you dont take any of them.

That's the thing, I wasn't "taking" any book, I was merely noting that Anderson's "bent over backwards" low-end figure for photon torpedo firepower is similar to the figure given in the Technical Manual...

Look, the canon is the very last thing I want to get into a pissing contest with you over... For a more detailed look at this, check this website out...

Canon Wars -- The Beginning

And yes, Anderson did calculate the firepower of SW turbolasers based on a novelisation quote (the SW canon consists of the films, the scripts of those films, each of the films' respective novelizations and the radio plays, while the ST canon consists of the five series and the first ten movies) that the largest ones could "vapourise a small town"... Live with it!

posted on August 20th, 2009, 2:55 pm

if im a huge star wars fan i could just right a book and say somewhere in there that ISD shields are capable of protecting them from the corona of a star.   all of a sudden that makes them better than the shields from star trek.

How funny...I remember seing a comparison site that said exactly that. Getting it from a comic. I'm not sure if they meant Shields, or (more likely) Hull.

posted on August 20th, 2009, 3:49 pm

a comic.    it wouldnt surprise me one bit.  when i was trying to find that one site about the acclamators, i even stumbled across a babylon 5 vs star trek vs star wars site.  whats next, a battlestar galactica vs stargate SG1 ballistics comparison complete with bullet velocity.

@triarii  as for andersons argument about turbolasers i agree its hogwash.  so what exactly constitutes a small town.  even the author wasnt sure so he guestimated what he thought would be a small town in the star wars universe.........what a load of crap.  once again its a suggestive argument that you could swing to make the weapons stronger or weaker.  a small farming town is a vast area since most of the space is used for agriculture compared to a small town for mining where most people would be close together.  these concepts that people argue over are irrelevant and stupid, since no exact figures are given and anyone can pull things out of their ass.  if im a star wars fan im gonna say it can vapourize a farming town while a star trek fan might say the opposite.

as for canon im for the tv shows and the films only.  ill even throw in the scripts although only the final copies not early drafts where stuff changes all the time.  i would not use the novelization of the movies unless george lucas himself wrote them.  i would not use the radio show for one simple reason.  it was a commercial endeavor that reminds me of this....

The Star Wars Holiday Special

posted on August 20th, 2009, 4:50 pm

I thought George Lucas declared anything to canon? So even books and everything... Something Star Trek could use, too. I think the only written thing canon in Star Trek is the Countdown comic  .
What I liked most abput Star Wars were the Geoniseans. They had a fantastic language, I liked that. Something that strange I missed in Star Trek. Then they brought up the Xindi insects. they were however not that impressive. Quite badly animated in my eyes.

posted on August 20th, 2009, 5:08 pm

well if george lucas says anything is canon then then star wars wins by default because now thanks to force unleashed jedis and sith can simply toss starships around like volleyballs. 

posted on August 20th, 2009, 5:26 pm

Wow...that SW vs ST site seemed like it was made by a pissed off virgin who spends waaaay too much time reading SW. :-p  Sorry...I have a thing with people who are "OH EM GEEE....STAR WARS IS THE BEST....I'm never gonna leave my room ever again!" :-p  The site was pretty in-depth but the numbers seemed waaay too high.  I need to start playing FO again.  I've been preoccupied with my g/f.  Pshhh...who needs women. :-p

posted on August 20th, 2009, 5:34 pm

Well besides, what about the Sovereign class? It has massive firepower, and is extremely maneuverable and is great for last ditch ramming attacks.  Anyway, I would say that the Feds would die laughing at the TIE fighters even the really strong ones. Besides, that Wong guy is pretty unimaginative when it comes to possibilities. 

posted on August 21st, 2009, 9:36 am

Send some Peregrines to hunt the Ties and finished .

posted on August 21st, 2009, 1:32 pm

Send some Peregrines to hunt the Ties and finished .

Why? Just send in a few armed Shutles.

posted on August 21st, 2009, 1:56 pm

Well, if Risner can take out Dominion Bugs with a shuttle... why not?

posted on August 21st, 2009, 3:29 pm

Although one must remember the Borg. A Sith, (Considering that the Jedi would have no reason to fight the Federation being so very a like) would easily be assimilated if swarmed enough. Or, wide angle phaser stunned, but assimilated none the less. They would also easily assimilate because they could beam nanites aboard through the sheilds and take over the vessel.

posted on August 21st, 2009, 6:25 pm

May I ask, why are we assuming that Star Wars shields can be beamed through?