miss the guys from the old shows.
posted on July 11th, 2009, 4:51 am
Last edited by nathanj on July 11th, 2009, 6:09 am, edited 1 time in total.
do you miss the klingons from the old series, they would never consider peace with those human ptahk sp?
miss the headstrong captains of starfleet yore that could give a damn about rules and regulations. how about the romulan captain who chose death over surrender to the humans. wouldnt it be nice to have a special ablity to temporarily replace the crew of any ship with a crew from "the good ole days".
benefits. immediate boost in "balls" factor and general increase in effectiveness since they disregard every rule and safety protocol in the book. "shields are for pussies, more power to weapons" "they wanna talk, i cant hear them..nananananananana" "the last things they will see are my glowing balls headed straight at them" since the ships are new and unknown to them they will just turn all the pretty knobs and blinking lights all the way up.
downsides. since you are of the current generation of commanders you are a weenie and will not be listened to (you cant control the ship).
oh ....and a small chance of the ship instantly exploding due to lack of technical understanding.
miss the headstrong captains of starfleet yore that could give a damn about rules and regulations. how about the romulan captain who chose death over surrender to the humans. wouldnt it be nice to have a special ablity to temporarily replace the crew of any ship with a crew from "the good ole days".
benefits. immediate boost in "balls" factor and general increase in effectiveness since they disregard every rule and safety protocol in the book. "shields are for pussies, more power to weapons" "they wanna talk, i cant hear them..nananananananana" "the last things they will see are my glowing balls headed straight at them" since the ships are new and unknown to them they will just turn all the pretty knobs and blinking lights all the way up.
downsides. since you are of the current generation of commanders you are a weenie and will not be listened to (you cant control the ship).
oh ....and a small chance of the ship instantly exploding due to lack of technical understanding.
posted on July 11th, 2009, 6:44 am
Sort of interesting, but i dunno. I kinda like that not every commander in starfleet goes off at the slightest indication that the enemy is readying to attack.... 
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posted on July 11th, 2009, 3:27 pm
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nathanj wrote:the old starfleet would not have allowed fleet after fleet after fleet of enemy ships to come pouring through the wormhole while they just sat around watched. the old starfleet were willing to go to war with the klingons over a couple of officers being put in prison. thats the starfleet i miss.
the old starfleet would not have sat there like an idiot like picard did the first time they encountered the borg. remember when the borg was heavily damaged and they were sitting there arguing over it while it repaired itself. why didnt they finish it of. because they were pussies. half the crew on that ship were probably wondering "how exactly do you hug a borg?" and when they had a second chance the old starfleet wouldnt have hesitated to use that weird math thing to mess the borg up. good call on that one new shiny panzy ass starfleet.
the old starfleet also also beat the klingons.......unlike the new shiny version which lost to them in that enterprise C episode.
the new starfleet essentially lost to the dominion..........i wouldnt call it a victory when the only thing that saved your ass was one captain talking an alien species into wiping them out for you. and unless the new starfleet gets another oppurtunity like hugh offered they would lose to any serious borg invasion in heartbeat. if you think they had problems with 1 cube imagine a hundred of them hitting different areas at once.
the problem with the new shiny starfleet is that they think too much. they try and rationalize everything to the point of being paralyzed. sometimes when something doesnt look right you have to do something about and and not sit around over analyzing everything.
picard sucked big time. i liked sisko alot and despite the show itself being crappy i actually liked janeways style. she was a bit more aggressive than captian superweenie and the ship of kumbayah.
my only major beef with the old starfleet was signing that stupid treaty and agreeing not to use cloaking technology, good call on that one gene roddenberry who said something like "humanity doenst go sneaking around" yeah right cause why would anyone want something that renders them invisible to enemy sensors, who needs that.
They would sit back and let Dominion come through, because there is nothing to be done when they are ruled by the same regulations and desk-jockeys. They would sit back and discuss what to do, as Kirk often does with his crew.
The Klingons fear nothing, are entirely war driven and Starfleet was at war for decades, losing ships. TOS Starfleet never got past a 'Cold war' or beat them at anything except 1v1.
New Starfleet lost to the Dominion because of numbers, TOS Starfleet was far worse off for numbers than them with nothing combat-based.
Plan out a strategy and know what your doing or rush in head-first and shoot at whatever moves...the Former actually has more than a 1-in-10 chance of working (unlike the later which is more likely to just get you killed faster).
Picard is proof that you don't have to be a hormone-driven caveman to win (plus he had far few crew casulties throughout the entire show than Kirk had in a few episodes). Picard was smarter than Kirk, Kirk was more 'flirt/fight/barely skim past'.
No cloak was there because if they didn't accept, they would have war with the Romulans.
Most Important point: Kirk's methods were not the Starfleet standard, they overall acted the same way.
posted on July 11th, 2009, 4:00 pm
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picard allowed the borg to keep on assimilating billions of beings. kirk would never have let that happen......never. picard is a panzy.
if the romulans threatened war over cloaking technology then starfleet should have called their bluff, which is exactly what it was. the romulans were hurting just as bad as we were with all the nukes.
starfleet won their last victories fleet on fleet against the klingons prior to the organians peace treaty.
the old starfleet was not the same as the new starfleet. they were willing to go to war over kirk and mccoy being sent to prison, the president had to overrule them.....the new starfleet would never have even considered it. they have become to complacent and lazy. if they are willing to risk all out war for a couple of officers im pretty sure that they wouldnt have let the dominion keep building up. there is no regulation which required them to sit there and do nothing......they just didnt want to do anything.
as for the dominion i was referencing a flaw people seem to keep repeating at least to me. we didnt beat them. they lost to the aliens in the wormhole not to starfleet. if thats how you have to win its a pretty lame way to win.
kirk is infinitely better than picard. sisko is way better than picard.........even janeway is better than picard. as for people dying on kirks ship those were redshirts and everyone knows that redshirts die. thats why they wear red shirts so the blood doesnt stand out as much.
if the romulans threatened war over cloaking technology then starfleet should have called their bluff, which is exactly what it was. the romulans were hurting just as bad as we were with all the nukes.
starfleet won their last victories fleet on fleet against the klingons prior to the organians peace treaty.
the old starfleet was not the same as the new starfleet. they were willing to go to war over kirk and mccoy being sent to prison, the president had to overrule them.....the new starfleet would never have even considered it. they have become to complacent and lazy. if they are willing to risk all out war for a couple of officers im pretty sure that they wouldnt have let the dominion keep building up. there is no regulation which required them to sit there and do nothing......they just didnt want to do anything.
as for the dominion i was referencing a flaw people seem to keep repeating at least to me. we didnt beat them. they lost to the aliens in the wormhole not to starfleet. if thats how you have to win its a pretty lame way to win.
kirk is infinitely better than picard. sisko is way better than picard.........even janeway is better than picard. as for people dying on kirks ship those were redshirts and everyone knows that redshirts die. thats why they wear red shirts so the blood doesnt stand out as much.
posted on July 11th, 2009, 4:41 pm
nathanj wrote:picard allowed the borg to keep on assimilating billions of beings. kirk would never have let that happen......never. picard is a panzy.
if the romulans threatened war over cloaking technology then starfleet should have called their bluff, which is exactly what it was. the romulans were hurting just as bad as we were with all the nukes.
starfleet won their last victories fleet on fleet against the klingons prior to the organians peace treaty.
the old starfleet was not the same as the new starfleet. they were willing to go to war over kirk and mccoy being sent to prison, the president had to overrule them.....the new starfleet would never have even considered it. they have become to complacent and lazy. if they are willing to risk all out war for a couple of officers im pretty sure that they wouldnt have let the dominion keep building up. there is no regulation which required them to sit there and do nothing......they just didnt want to do anything.
as for the dominion i was referencing a flaw people seem to keep repeating at least to me. we didnt beat them. they lost to the aliens in the wormhole not to starfleet. if thats how you have to win its a pretty lame way to win.
kirk is infinitely better than picard. sisko is way better than picard.........even janeway is better than picard. as for people dying on kirks ship those were redshirts and everyone knows that redshirts die. thats why they wear red shirts so the blood doesnt stand out as much.
Kirk could never beat the Borg, thinking he could shows you know nothing about the Collective.
Romulans do not bluf, Starfleet learned that the hard way.
There was nothing more than a few border disputes between the Federation & Klingons, nothing major and they both had victories.
They are the same - Same rules, same regulations, same yards/bases. Same organization in every way and neither new nor old did things like Kirk.
The wormhole aliens didn't defeat them, they only prevented them from getting worse. The Dominion surrendered becase Odo cured the virus.
I know redshirts die, but on Picards ship they didn't very often...Kirk lost more crew than all other shows combined!
Picard - Civilised, gentleman, can fight Klingons, smart, follows the rules but bends them when needed
Sisko - Smart, can fight Klingons, puched Q (10 points instantly!), follows the rules but bends them when needed
Janeway - Takes the rules far foo seriously and won't even compromise, can fight, smart
Kirk - Inventive but not as smart as other captains (Spock is the brains of the 2), often hormone-driven, usually cares nothing for the rules and does what he wants, loses crew VERY fast, got battered by a Gorn (who are as strong as most Klingons), hates shirts (mainly his own)
Either way, I doubt we will ever agree so lets just agree to disagree...
posted on July 11th, 2009, 8:57 pm
yeah i kind of figured that we dont see eye to eye. 
romulans bluff all the time as seen in several episodes of next generation.
and kirk and sisko are still waaaay better than picard will ever hope to be
as far as kirk and the borg we wont know............we do know that picard had two occasions where he had the upper hand and he blew it both times.
there were fleet engagements with the klingons because i remember that some Garth something or another had led starfleet to a big victory.
the wormhole aliens defeated them flat out. no way around that. had they not stopped that reinforcement fleet from getting through starfleet and company never would have gotten to cardassia........never would have captured the founder and Odo never would have been able to give her the cure from doctor bashir.
with starfleets vast resources and quadrillions of inhabitants they should not have been so easy to defeat in a matter of a couple of years. its embarrasing. maybe if starfleet spent more resources on building up a strong military instead of all the peacetime crap they would have faired better. i remember something about how starfleet did something of a minor miracle during the war when they updated all the weapons systems on their ships..........heres a thought.............why wasnt that done already so they could have focused on pumping out more defiants or whatever they wanted.
redshirts dont count as crew deaths.....they are redshirts.
im not sure where you got the gorn being only as strong as klingons but if its true, that would be kind of funny. considering that kira and dax on ds9 were plowing through klingons like a drunk clown kicking toddlers around at a birthday party.
as far as gameplay would go this would still be awesome. even if for a distraction. you select a ship it gets a big boost in stats and goes nuts on all surrounding enemies, or a small chance the ship instantly blows up cause the crew pressed the wrong buttons.
romulans bluff all the time as seen in several episodes of next generation.
and kirk and sisko are still waaaay better than picard will ever hope to be
as far as kirk and the borg we wont know............we do know that picard had two occasions where he had the upper hand and he blew it both times.
there were fleet engagements with the klingons because i remember that some Garth something or another had led starfleet to a big victory.
the wormhole aliens defeated them flat out. no way around that. had they not stopped that reinforcement fleet from getting through starfleet and company never would have gotten to cardassia........never would have captured the founder and Odo never would have been able to give her the cure from doctor bashir.
with starfleets vast resources and quadrillions of inhabitants they should not have been so easy to defeat in a matter of a couple of years. its embarrasing. maybe if starfleet spent more resources on building up a strong military instead of all the peacetime crap they would have faired better. i remember something about how starfleet did something of a minor miracle during the war when they updated all the weapons systems on their ships..........heres a thought.............why wasnt that done already so they could have focused on pumping out more defiants or whatever they wanted.
redshirts dont count as crew deaths.....they are redshirts.
im not sure where you got the gorn being only as strong as klingons but if its true, that would be kind of funny. considering that kira and dax on ds9 were plowing through klingons like a drunk clown kicking toddlers around at a birthday party.
as far as gameplay would go this would still be awesome. even if for a distraction. you select a ship it gets a big boost in stats and goes nuts on all surrounding enemies, or a small chance the ship instantly blows up cause the crew pressed the wrong buttons.
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