For those less than happy with Enterprise/JarJarAbrams

posted on March 9th, 2011, 2:29 am

Fo those that were less than happy with recent trek events, two questions.

1- if you could pick a replacement plot for enterprise, with only the 'first warp5 earth ship going exploring' bit staying, how would you change it ?

2- If you were doing JarJar Abrams trek movie, and could make it any sorta trek movie using new actors for the TOS cast, how would you handle it ?

posted on March 9th, 2011, 2:44 am

Enterprise is not recent lol It ended 6-7 years ago ... And I think JJs Trek was done pretty well considering what they were setting out to do

posted on March 9th, 2011, 4:18 am

Yea considering they set about convincing a new generation that trek is cool they did a pretty decent job, while it might not be ideal trek wise it worked for everyone else and now they are making a sequel. For questions i refer you to this clip

posted on March 9th, 2011, 7:17 am

look i think the new star trek movie (with young kirk) was pretty good. my only gripe is that they may be throwing away all the trek story before it. like is the DS9 story irrelevant now? is the voyager story irrelevant? coz in the new star trek movie they changed time with the roms, the vulcans are basically gone too and that could have a big impact on the future...  who knows maybe the cardassians become a major power in the alpha quadrant now because of that time travel? it seems to me they are completely rewriting the trek story and i dont like that...

the producers and directors in the new star trek movie obviously never heard of the temporal prime directive.

posted on March 9th, 2011, 11:50 am

look i think the new star trek movie (with young kirk) was pretty good. my only gripe is that they may be throwing away all the trek story before it. like is the DS9 story irrelevant now? is the voyager story irrelevant? coz in the new star trek movie they changed time with the roms, the vulcans are basically gone too and that could have a big impact on the future...  who knows maybe the cardassians become a major power in the alpha quadrant now because of that time travel? it seems to me they are completely rewriting the trek story and i dont like that...

the producers and directors in the new star trek movie obviously never heard of the temporal prime directive.

Temporal Prime directive, Really.....

How many times was that broken by just James T Kirk, 5/6/7/8?


Right on to the original question, Enterprise was Enterprise if I had to change it in anyway I'd get the writers who did season 4 to have wrote the whole show.

As for New Trek, I want them for the next movie to pick something very obscure and out of the TOS that people don't really know unless they watch TOS. Use that to make a movie.

Like not obscure but off the top of my head several episodes stand out for use with a movie.

Errand of Mercy,
The city on the edge of forever
Arena LOL
The Enterprise Incident,

I mean there are loads those are mainly just 1st season apart from Enterprise Incident and they aren't very obscure, if I had time I'd go through all the seasons and pick out some really obscure references.  because there was some great stuff to play with in TOS.

Just don't do another Space Seed / Wrath of Khan because if they do it now it's going to cause uproar from people and forever be compared, Where as if they do it after making 5 good movies less of a problem.

posted on March 9th, 2011, 11:52 am

they call it an "alternate timeline", so they can do what they want. while technically they have erased all of tng era trek, i think jj trek works best if u take it how they intended, separate, so that it doesnt wipe out real trek, it exists on its own, in its own canon. dont get me wrong, its not as good as real trek, just its still worth watching.

posted on March 11th, 2011, 6:48 pm

As has been said dozens and dozens times before the prime universe is obviously still there and still continuing while this new alt timeline is one that we will actually be able to explore for more than an hour an see how things play out from whats happening across the rift you might say.

[Atlantisbase]

posted on March 11th, 2011, 9:17 pm

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As has been said dozens and dozens times before the prime universe is obviously still there and still continuing while this new alt timeline is one that we will actually be able to explore for more than an hour an see how things play out from whats happening across the rift you might say.

It's not so much about the other universe still existing, it's the fact that they think they can - and did - just go and whip out an alternate universe from their pocket and screw with it however they want. Even if it IS and alternate universe. It's a cop out; a way that they can do what ever they want without playing by the rules of the long standing cannon.

dont get me wrong, its not as good as real trek, just its still worth watching.

In the end I can over look the reality nonsense, but then they have to go and blind us with lens flare  and make the ships look hideous on the outside and ridiculous on the inside. Those are the real two things which killed it for me.

Fo those that were less than happy with recent trek events, two questions.

1- if you could pick a replacement plot for enterprise, with only the 'first warp5 earth ship going exploring' bit staying, how would you change it ?

2- If you were doing JarJar Abrams trek movie, and could make it any sorta trek movie using new actors for the TOS cast, how would you handle it ?

1 - Actually, I thought Enterprise was just fine. I thought it was a pretty fair representation of what the first Starfleet ship might encounter, have to deal with, etc.

2 - First off, I'd set it in cannon. I might actually explore the conflict with the Klingons which is something which is always just kind of there but never really explored or explained. That or maybe the Romulan war which we know nothing about. Then I'd use period starship designs, not the screwball designs they used that look like 50s/60s cars on steriods.

posted on March 11th, 2011, 9:39 pm

It's not so much about the other universe still existing, it's the fact that they think they can - and did - just go and whip out an alternate universe from their pocket and screw with it however they want. Even if it IS and alternate universe. It's a cop out; a way that they can do what ever they want without playing by the rules of the long standing cannon.
In the end I can over look the reality nonsense, but then they have to go and blind us with lens flare  and make the ships look hideous on the outside and ridiculous on the inside. Those are the real two things which killed it for me.
1 - Actually, I thought Enterprise was just fine. I thought it was a pretty fair representation of what the first Starfleet ship might encounter, have to deal with, etc.

2 - First off, I'd set it in cannon. I might actually explore the conflict with the Klingons which is something which is always just kind of there but never really explored or explained. That or maybe the Romulan war which we know nothing about. Then I'd use period starship designs, not the screwball designs they used that look like 50s/60s cars on steriods.

u pretty much said it 

posted on March 11th, 2011, 10:58 pm

Iv never had a problem with enterprise, i dislike the small minded people who do.

The only thing i didnt like about enterprise were some of the plot holes, like errr them running into the borg but no one ever hearing of this incident in the next gen when Q brang the USS enterprise to the borg and told them they were not ready.

As for the jayjay abrams film well id change him blowing up vulcan to not blowing it up.

posted on March 12th, 2011, 9:51 am

Iv never had a problem with enterprise, i dislike the small minded people who do.

I'm small minded because I take the time to point out dozens of plot holes, and cases of ignoring and conflicting with TOS and such ?

I'm the one attempting an open discussion, you're the one flinging insults. For smallminded, look in the mirror.

The only thing i didnt like about enterprise were some of the plot holes, like errr them running into the borg but no one ever hearing of this incident in the next gen when Q brang the USS enterprise to the borg and told them they were not ready.

Dont forget the Enterprise dogfighting Nazi stuka dive bombers in new york. The fact that in TOS the Romulan cloak was new, yet they had it in Ent, in TOS they state that earth/rom war was fought with nukes and yet we clearly see Ent using photon torpedos and phasers.... despite the commander of the 1701 enterprise prior to Kirk only having basic lasers on it instead.

There was only one plot hole in Enterprise, and that was the series itself.

Real shame too, it should have been awsome, the actors were decent, and in that last seaso when we got half decent scripts it got REALLY good.

[Atlantisbase]

posted on March 12th, 2011, 6:06 pm

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The only thing i didnt like about enterprise were some of the plot holes, like errr them running into the borg but no one ever hearing of this incident in the next gen when Q brang the USS enterprise to the borg and told them they were not ready.

My guess is Starfleet covered up the Borg incident, deeming it one of those sort of things you should bury and forget about. Also I don't think they ever actually knew that this species was called the "Borg", so even if it was on record, Picard may have never made the connection, with the event being fairly ancient history and a rather small event.

Dont forget the Enterprise dogfighting Nazi stuka dive bombers in new york. The fact that in TOS the Romulan cloak was new, yet they had it in Ent, in TOS they state that earth/rom war was fought with nukes and yet we clearly see Ent using photon torpedos and phasers.... despite the commander of the 1701 enterprise prior to Kirk only having basic lasers on it instead.

Wouldn't the Nazi event have been eliminated from time once the temporal incusion was stopped? As for the Romulan war, it's possible that Earth couldn't manufacture enough, either casings or antimater, to fight a war so they fell back on nuclear weapons. The existance of the cloak could either, again, have been covered up, or perhaps the cloak seen in TOS is a new version which had not yet been encountered. Phasers vs. Lasers, who knows, that's just a continuity fail on the part of the writers.

posted on March 12th, 2011, 6:17 pm

All the saw of the Borg was a few people in weird suits and a brief look at Borg tech created from ENT-era devices. To Starfleet, they were nothing more than another race they never met before and learned almost nothing about.

They had no reason to compare the Borg to a few unknowns they met around 2 centuries ago.

posted on March 12th, 2011, 9:46 pm

I'm small minded because I take the time to point out dozens of plot holes, and cases of ignoring and conflicting with TOS and such ?

I'm the one attempting an open discussion, you're the one flinging insults. For smallminded, look in the mirror.

Dont forget the Enterprise dogfighting Nazi stuka dive bombers in new york. The fact that in TOS the Romulan cloak was new, yet they had it in Ent, in TOS they state that earth/rom war was fought with nukes and yet we clearly see Ent using photon torpedos and phasers.... despite the commander of the 1701 enterprise prior to Kirk only having basic lasers on it instead.

There was only one plot hole in Enterprise, and that was the series itself.

Real shame too, it should have been awsome, the actors were decent, and in that last seaso when we got half decent scripts it got REALLY good.

I already said there were plots but like i said small minded people like you cant look past that and see a good scifi show with good acting, what are you 11? sit still and watch its a scifi show if your going to sit there and poke holes in everything then your not a scifi fan and if you have to ask why and for me to explain then i just proved my point scifi stuff always has holes in it.

Like when someone is out of phase why dont they fall through the floor... shut up thats why.(thats what i always say when arguing about something dumb like that)

Enterprise is defo my second fav startrek series behind DS9 and Next gen.

posted on March 13th, 2011, 6:36 pm

I think the great thing of Star Trek always was that it created the impression that there was an explanation to everything. And they even gave explanations for many things, that's why so many scientists love Star Trek Stephen Hawking for example).

When I hear that JJ. Abrams bashing all the time I sometimes wonder whether people ever watched TOS. Of course it was sth. new and great in the 60s but seriousely: watch it today. There are great episodes, no doubt about it, balance of power for example. But there is also a load of ridiculous episodes where they simply meet a boring god existence. Don't forget the dumb women. Next to great political episodes or classic Sci-Fi about robots and stuff there is much nonsense and even the mentioned "Classic Sci-Fi stuff" is only scratched on the outside. You must have read much about the history of Sci-Fi(and Star Trek) to really consider TOS sth. worth to watch today. Many things they simply made the first time in TV. IMO TOS is the weakest Star Trek series and I don't get it why there is still such a hype about it, TNG was much more successful. Abrams largest mistake was to make a movie about TOS and not about sth. after Voyager, or maybe in between TMP and TNG in my opinion.
Concerning Enterprise: like every Star Trek series it started to become great in the 4th season. Before there are some nice episodes, but on the whole it wasn't really impressive until season 4. But the same goes for DS9, TNG and Voy. I admit I also disliked the huge inconsistences - but as people pointed out several times: that's nothing new in Star Trek.