Exclusive: Sequel Title Confirmed – ‘Star Trek Into Darkness

posted on September 21st, 2012, 11:55 am

You know, I would love to discuss the title and/or the new movie/universe... but seeing here and nearly everywhere... it seems that a great part of the "fandom" reacts even more pissed off and worse then the muslims versus this crap video...

I mean seriously?!?!

You talk about "Corruption", you talk about "Star Trek being defiled"... "blasphemy", "heresy"?
What are you? An Ajatollah in Iran?

I am not saying you cannot "not like" the movie, by far no, if it isn't your taste then it is so and I love to discuss with you why you don't like the movie etc...

But most of you really really REALLY have lost all grips on reality!
With the last 2 TNG Movies and Enterprise (which I liked all) Trek as we knew it was DEAD! DEAD! DEAD!

I was surprised hugely that they stuck with Star Trek Online and kept going with it, really, I didn't understand, because Trek was Dead in the Water!
All the "Canon" was hindering everything that would have been considered "new" and "innovative" all you could have done was already done 6 times over every series and you couldn't do anything with the "old Trek" without invoking the sense that you needed to watch every series and every movie to even barely understand what is going on in the new movies and/or series.

While I think most of the "Haters" would probably loved to see Trek not only dead but thrown away rather then being invigorated with new life and new "pep", I for one want Star Trek to live on so that even my (hopefully future) grandkids will have their "own" Star Trek to watch...

Star Trek is not a religion... If it shall survive it has to go and change with the times... and it will be still Star Trek...

And to the topic...

I like the title... it is different for sure... but just hearing the title is nice and I want to see if the title is fitting

posted on September 21st, 2012, 1:16 pm

And a damn gross one too!

How can you be like this? How can you be so indifferent? Can't you see they are ruining it all? What's going to be next? Smurfs in engineering?

posted on September 21st, 2012, 2:21 pm

The mass of canon vs non-canon arguments i've seen over the years, and this is just within the Armada modding community mind you, made me throw in the towel long ago. I just live in my own little Trek world where it is perpetually 2292 and I can make it however I like

posted on September 21st, 2012, 3:18 pm

how much of a argument was there when the next generation came along?

all of those "picard or kirk" arguments? they changed the ships from having buttons and switches and levers to touch screen thats not trek? the uniforms are too different perhaps? its gonna change as time goes by,

in each series there has been some pretty dodgy stuff if you dont look at it with rose tinted glasses.
personally i enjoyed the latest version, yes i didnt like all of it and there were imo some big mistakes but if you enjoy it for what it is its good. and i too would not want the franchise to die. as long as it doesnt stray too far (tho thats obivously a different distance depending on who you ask)

posted on September 21st, 2012, 4:06 pm

All the "Canon" was hindering everything that would have been considered "new" and "innovative" all you could have done was already done 6 times over every series and you couldn't do anything with the "old Trek" without invoking the sense that you needed to watch every series and every movie to even barely understand what is going on in the new movies and/or series.

There is hardly any need to throw everything over to create something new (which has only a couple names to profit from something elses popularity). It has worked more then often enough with the 9 previous sequels and 4 sequel-series.

Star Trek is not a religion... If it shall survive it has to go and change with the times... and it will be still Star Trek...

Right, its not a religion, we dont go crazy and kill people. But that new stuff doesn't have anything to do with the star trek I came to knew.
The rift inbetween tos and tng was nothing compared to this.

posted on September 21st, 2012, 4:48 pm

Right, its not a religion, we don't go crazy and kill people.

Speak for yourself, i would burn those infidels at the stake for considering themselves Trekkies and not caring!

But that new stuff doesn't have anything to do with the star trek I came to knew. The rift inbetween tos and tng was nothing compared to this.

Aye, avast! The star trek mentality has always been that of evolved sensibility and advanced, non-monetary economy, but what do we have instead? Car theft, resisting arrest, destruction of property, police pursuits, NOKIA (WTF???) and driving down a canyon... AND IT ISN'T EVEN 15MINUTES OF MOVIE.

The whole thing continues with bilge drinking, bar fights, drunken disorderly, "buying" Kirk a drink, vulcan kids acting like normal ones and bullying Spock its as if it were human people...

Might as well name the movie SPACE SCALLYWAGS!!!

What I saw was medieval behavior and not a resource based economy and evolved mentality that ST is supposed to have!

When I saw them carrying phasers I was shocked that those weren't clubs strapped to their waists.

posted on September 21st, 2012, 6:00 pm

To be fair, the scene of Spock being bullied as a kid wasn't out of order for me. Even if not official canon, the idea has appeared enough in writings by respected Trek authors (Diane Duane, for example) that I don't consider it out there (although the type of bullying was usually depicted as being subtler; however, there isn't much room for subtlety in big-budget action flicks these days).

I think what pissed me off so much about the 2009 film is that, if dressed in the guise of an all-new IP, it would have been a decent action-adventure sci-fi flick. They could have decided to do the film in a post-TNG time-period with all-new characters and I, as a fan for 30 years, would have found it easier to deal with.

posted on September 21st, 2012, 6:15 pm

Right, its not a religion, we don't go crazy and kill people.

Aye, avast! The star trek mentality has always been that of evolved sensibility and advanced, non-monetary economy, but what do we have instead? Car theft, resisting arrest, destruction of property, police pursuits, NOKIA (WTF???) and driving down a canyon... AND IT ISN'T EVEN 15MINUTES OF MOVIE.

Yup. It's not 15 minutes because it's a short introduction to Kirks rebellious character traits.

Nokia and stuff... well, it's an all-audience movie meant to bring a lot of money. If you don't make money with a movie, you did something wrong.
Movie-making is a business, and in that sense Abrams did everything right, because unlike in Star Trek the real world DOES live from making money and exchange it for things. You cannot make Star Trek's example of a non-monetary economy an excuse for being ignorant. Abrams included things for ALL audiences. That's why there is a sportscar, that's why there is a robot-like police-guy and that's why Nokia makes an appearance. Many of these non-trekkie people won't get the real point behind Pike ending up in a wheelchair for example, or gags like the ladder in the corridor or the red-shirt on the first away-mission.

Also, Leonard Nimoy's presence in the movie is sort of an insurance that this is indeed Star Trek, but not the one we grew up with. It's the new one, and thus not necessarily in need of canon-trueness.

After all, re-imagining something as big as Star Trek is a thing you need balls for. Abrams took the risk of being hated by all those fanatic people and was successful in doing something that's alot better than at least two entire shows and four entire "movies" before. Nemesis was much more respectless, ripping off an entire classic movie of the franchise and Nemesis got what it deserved, the worst box-office returns in history of Trek-movies. Star Trek 2009 was WAY better off and actually didn't insult anyone (except for William Shatner).

posted on September 21st, 2012, 9:20 pm

Speak for yourself, i would burn those infidels at the stake for considering themselves Trekkies and not caring!

Thank you... I consider this not only a personal attack but a real threat... you might want to reconsider your attitude...
And as a matter of fact, this post is reported.

And for the record...
You display EXACTLY what you seem to hate in the "new universe"... so I might consider that you either don't know what the hell are you doing or you're a simple troll.

Aye, avast! The star trek mentality has always been that of evolved sensibility and advanced, non-monetary economy, but what do we have instead? Car theft, resisting arrest, destruction of property, police pursuits, NOKIA (WTF???) and driving down a canyon... AND IT ISN'T EVEN 15MINUTES OF MOVIE.

The whole thing continues with bilge drinking, bar fights, drunken disorderly, "buying" Kirk a drink, vulcan kids acting like normal ones and bullying Spock its as if it were human people...

Might as well name the movie SPACE SCALLYWAGS!!!

I might ask you... have you ever actually watched TOS?
Starfleet paying good money for Spocks training?
K7?
Scotty drinking himself into a stupor at several occassions?
Vulcans (or in this case Spock vs. Kirk) fighting to the death over a woman?
The Enterprise Crew helping Kirk and Spock to break out of a Klingon Prison?
The Enterprise Crew defying orders on more then one occassion?

TNG?
Crusher having send the bill up to the Enterprise after buying something mundane as cloth?

I could go on but I am sure everyone understands what I want to say...

What you describe of being Trek is nothing more then the delusional epitaph of a stubborn "Fan" that wants to hold himself and Trek as something of high standing to help himself stand out of the crowd as some kind of saint and saviour of mankind, good manners etc.
And to surprise us all, it never was anything like what you describe... Picard might have been a little bit like what most "Fans" want to see in Trek that stems only from ONE Sentence in 'First Contact' one movie that is far more action oriented then the rest... but in the end they all were just humans (or klingons, or Vulcans etc.).

posted on September 21st, 2012, 10:30 pm

As a matter of fact I have watched TOS, several time over in fact. There was abhorrent behavior, but there has always been some restraint shown. So then Abrams comes along, but then turns Kirk into Caveman Bob, essentially throwing all the good things out of him and bloats his barbarism.

As far as it was ascribed there were convertible credits, which was pretty much a monthly spending limit which is arranged to be converted into latinum on demand.

There is an old saying that went on during the inquisition: "When the executioner starts stacking the barks around the pole, the witches are the first to sweat!"

Burning at the stake? That was a metaphore!


Everyone who is a hardcore trekkie or trekker, listen to me, once and for all:

I PERSONALLY KNEW THIS JUNK WOULD HAPPEN, I KNEW IT FROM FIRST I HEARD ABOUT THE PROJECT! JAMES T. KIRK REDUCED TO A COMMON RATHOLE CRAWLING DRUNKARD? WHY CAN'T HOLLYWOOD EVER LEAVE GOOD ENOUGH ALONE?

Is it too much to ask the creators work within the universe already created? The Enterprise built in Riverside, Iowa? What sort of fanboy shite is that? And kirk is now a thug to appeal to the decadent masses. WHAT GARBAGE!

Abrams says the audiences can relate to the new kirk... RELATE WITH A BAR FIGHTING PUNK? WHAT IS ABRAMS SAYING ABOUT HIS TARGET AUDIENCE?!?

You all fan wannabes think this new movie is so great, none of you ever understood TOS. Are you all born with the aptitude of missing the obvious or does it take practice? THIS FILM RUINS THE CHARACTER OF JAMES KIRK!

We all know Kirk has been the heart and soul of the old franchise for over 40 years, while you guys lap up to Abrams' words like milk served to kitttens. Kirk should not be rearranging his nose throughout bars, he represents the best of humanity, what we should all strive to be.

Kirk was an overachiever who often even pulled through no-win scenarios, now that has been replaced... and why? BECAUSE ITS BORING?

For decades I waited for startrek to get the A-list treatment, and instead we are served this perversion? What was Nimoy thinking when he signed up for this? Is he senile?

The bridge and nacelles look ridiculous... and nobody cares. Real trekkies are a dying breed - overtaken by zealous fans wow'ed by Aztec hull plating.

What a waste...

... a bar hopping punk...

With this new timeline, Enterprise is the only Trek show that is still certifiable canon. How gay.

Before this there was a faint sparkle of hope called DS9, but that ended as well, all we have left now is James Cawley and that guy comes out with just about one episode a year.

Roddenberry save us.

posted on September 21st, 2012, 10:40 pm

So then Abrams comes along, but then turns Kirk into Caveman Bob, essentially throwing all the good things out of him and bloats his barbarism. [/i]

How was First Contact or Nemesis any different? They reduced Picard to a vengeance driven madman who wanted to commit genocide on the Borg. Remember how he had a chance to kill all the Borg in TNG with Hugh? But he did not because he's you know, intellectual and all that? Well guess what, First Contact reduced him to a mindless brute who killed Borg by the dozens, even killed his own crew before the assimilation process was complete. What you describe has been done in Trek already, so if Abrams Trek is a reduction of Kirk's character then you have to admit most of the TNG movies are of Picard too, because I feel reducing the exact same Picard we knew into a genocidal maniac is far worse then portraying a new Kirk who is still immature and much younger then the adult Kirk we knew.

posted on September 21st, 2012, 10:50 pm

Fist Contact and nemesis have probably been cursed over just as much as this movie... and don't try to change the subject nor shift away attention from the thing at hand!

Don't even try to deflate the disaster into less that what it really is! The entire movie has been placed on the premise that hundreds of years from now nothing will ever change, parents will still fail miserably at raising their children and children would end up in a collapsing binge of hormone infested disaster.

Might as well have Kirk snort cocaine and picard lead the entermafia...

posted on September 21st, 2012, 11:00 pm

Don't even try to deflate the disaster into less that what it really is!

I am trying to deflate the disaster, because I'm always confused that of all the Star Trek movies to be picked on for reducing the series to action shlock it has to be 2009. If 2009 gets picked on for ruining Roddenberry's philosophy then Generations, First Contact, Insurrection, and Nemesis have to be as well because they are just as mindless. All four of those movies are resolved by punching the bad guy in the face: a far cry from Kirk not murdering a Gorn that he nearly killed with a makeshift bazooka. At the very least 2009 was a fun movie. Yeah it was action shlock, the new design for the Enterprise looked bulbous and stupid.. but saying it ruined everything is just silly because the TNG movies, Voyager, and Enterprise already did a fantastic job of warping Trek with parallel universes, Picard Borg genocide, the crew turning into Lizards and then mating with each other, Janeway Borg Genocide, and making Gene roll around in his grave.

posted on September 22nd, 2012, 12:14 am

here are a few images from the up coming new movie you may or may not have seen:

http://www.startrek.com/article/first-l ... rek-titles

http://www.deadline.com/2012/09/paramou ... se-voyage/

http://movies.uk.msn.com/future-movies/ ... rek-sequel

http://whatculture.com/film/first-look- ... abrams.php

http://www.treknews.net/2012/09/08/star ... -darkness/

posted on September 22nd, 2012, 12:55 pm

There is an old saying that went on during the inquisition: "When the executioner starts stacking the barks around the pole, the witches are the first to sweat!"

Coming up with an inquisition-quote is like calling "Traightors!" and then opening fire on allies.

Is it too much to ask the creators work within the universe already created?

After the ending of Nemesis, the ST-universe was once and for all ruined. The crew I grew up with forgot who they are and what they've been and at the ending of the movie I felt truly depressed about what Star Trek has become for a moment.
Of course you could go back and make a movie in the "lost era", but I like the fact that there is a "lost era" between the classic movies and TNG, because it leaves room for own imagination and fantasy. Making a movie there would ruin this because what we'd really get is probably not as good as our own imagination.

You all fan wannabes think this new movie is so great, none of you ever understood TOS. Are you all born with the aptitude of missing the obvious or does it take practice? THIS FILM RUINS THE CHARACTER OF JAMES KIRK!

No, it doesn't. Generations did (and that's when Kirk was still played by SHATNER, who is only happy when he can play Kirk). The new movie made a quite decent attempt of showing a younger Kirk. Down to the facts, the movie still doesn't offend anyone besides William Shatner.

The bridge and nacelles look ridiculous... and nobody cares. Real trekkies are a dying breed - overtaken by zealous fans wow'ed by Aztec hull plating.

It's not important for the movie itself how the ships look. In Abrams movie, it's just a brandnew ship that is crewed by the characters the movie is about.

What a waste...

... a bar hopping punk...

How terrible - I've seen a few so-called "punks" who actually just express a certain disbelief in society without any indication of being stupid, not talented and the like. Kirk being a rebel when he's young makes sense; In TOS and the good movies he did several things Picard wouldn't even have considered - although Kirk in TOS displayed these things with a certain maturity. However in Trek 2009 they were just fresh from the academy. Remember when Q gave Picard a second chance and how big the difference was between his behaviour as a cadet/ensign and as captain later? Picard was an arrogant womanizer himself before he almost died, he just didn't stay that way.

Roddenberry save us.

He can't, because he still rotates in his grave about the TNG-movies. He rotates as fast as the Argo's wheels.


The most ridiculous things I have seen in ST-movies were Kirk in the nexus (not being on the old Enterprise but in a stupid countryside-ambience) and Picard, Data and Worf salvaging parts of a third Soong-android in a silly ATV that's housed in a shuttle that could use its storage way better for an entire field-laboratory instead.