Can The Sov Seperate?

posted on October 22nd, 2004, 7:53 pm

had never heard of it.

[Lt.Cdr.White]

posted on October 22nd, 2004, 8:35 pm

Last edited by Lt.Cdr.White on October 22nd, 2004, 8:36 pm, edited 1 time in total.

You have to take into account that the people making the MSDs are normally not the same that made the design of the ship. Thus there are sometimes problems with lining up the MSDs and the design itself. This goes for the Defiant and Equinox for example.

It's right, looking at the MSD, the Sovereign can't seperate. One thing is, there are no seperation lines in the MSD.

But more important: The saucer has no deuterium tanks. That means, it would not work seperated. No impulse drive, no energy at all. Taking the MSD, there is no way it can seperate.

But as I said, the MSDs are not always 100% correct. It's the same with my own ship, the 3d model was first, but I made the MSD much later and had to improvise a lot.

So still, Eaves made everything necessary to make the Sovereign seperable, but it was not included in the movies nor in the MSD. But there is still a possibility that it could be added somewhat later.

You see, the original Sovereign design was even different from the configuration it had in Nemesis (different bottom, many more weapons and so on).

Design: Seperable. Movies: Unknown, not yet shown.

Conclusion: We do not know for sure!

PS: Here is a more detailed scan of the MSD:

http://www.strekschematics.utvinternet.com...entecutaway.jpg

posted on October 22nd, 2004, 11:08 pm

And proof Sovern cannot separate, thank you Azmodian. Nothin much to say except, why even try? To think or believe you are right does not make it so, and going up against a hardcore trekkie isn't a good idea. In closing, w00t.

posted on October 23rd, 2004, 2:08 am

i cringe win ever thay chage a ship be for its destrotion. like back with the clasic enterpises os cald refit. thay shood have just caled it the enterprise bata - A. and i dont think chaging the ship whood be a good idea.

posted on October 23rd, 2004, 2:11 am

It needed the refit, the origional was fairly ugly in my eyes.

posted on October 23rd, 2004, 2:31 am

i give up, i was wrong, the sovereign can not sepatate. i have been pursuing an unwinable cause.

[DOCa Cola]

posted on October 29th, 2004, 9:33 am

Last edited by DOCa Cola on October 29th, 2004, 9:38 am, edited 1 time in total.

It can't seperate the saucer look at this then you would agree.


http://www.ussmiranda.com/images/ships/msdsovereign.jpg

good point, but have you taken a look on the galaxy ones to?

Source ussmiranda.com

or also
http://www.strekschematics.utvinternet.com...orgdcutaway.jpg

so we just don't know for sure...

DOCa Cola

posted on October 29th, 2004, 10:58 am

Wtf, you can see the lines in the middle, unlike people think it dosen't separate straight off and you can see where it does.

posted on October 29th, 2004, 11:54 am

Right, the Galaxy MSD has all the lines, including the shape of the battle bridge. The thick outer lines even have interruptions where it seperates.

posted on October 29th, 2004, 12:14 pm

good point, but have you taken a look on the galaxy ones to?

Source ussmiranda.com

or also
http://www.strekschematics.utvinternet.com...orgdcutaway.jpg

so we just don't know for sure...

DOCa Cola

I can see the seperate line on this pic..........

[[F-I-I]VAdm-MJP]

posted on October 29th, 2004, 2:54 pm

Last edited by [F-I-I]VAdm-MJP on October 29th, 2004, 3:39 pm, edited 1 time in total.

OK we KNOW that the Promethues class seperates. but take a look at the pic below. (and can any one find a bigger one?)



This is from ussmiranda.com


as you can see it dosnt look like it should, two computer cores, one deflector aray, and other things.

Also a funny thing, there is a car in the galexy shuttel bay.

posted on October 29th, 2004, 4:26 pm

the galaxy pic - thos lines doesn't represent the docking clamps, but more the hull shape
the prometheus pic is a better example than the galaxy for that, so thx for the heads up
true, there is something that looks like a sport car in the galaxy shuttle bay but it's too big for a car so i think it's a strange shaped shuttle

DOCa Cola

[Lt.Cdr.White]

posted on October 29th, 2004, 5:27 pm

Last edited by Lt.Cdr.White on October 29th, 2004, 5:29 pm, edited 1 time in total.

the galaxy pic - thos lines doesn't represent the docking clamps, but more the hull shape
the prometheus pic is a better example than the galaxy for that, so thx for the heads up
true, there is something that looks like a sport car in the galaxy shuttle bay but it's too big for a car so i think it's a strange shaped shuttle

DOCa Cola

I have attached a detail from the MSD with some numbers in it.

1 - seperation lines, outer hull is interrupted
2 - docking clamp
3 - battle bridge (!)
4 - continuing seperation lines

Definately, the MSD shows the galaxy as separable.

And by the way, the MSD has also an old airplane and a big rubber duck in it.

posted on October 29th, 2004, 5:30 pm

yes but note that image leaves lots of stuff out ship wise, what im trying to say is the sov might have the seperatoin line and the other stuff but becouse fo the other things we cant see them. also with my Promethues pic, it might not look seperatible but it is.

[Lt.Cdr.White]

posted on October 29th, 2004, 5:37 pm

Last edited by Lt.Cdr.White on October 29th, 2004, 5:37 pm, edited 1 time in total.

And concerning the prometheus, although the picture is not detailed enough, there are many hints on the separability that are missing on the Sovereign MSD:

1 - 3 bridge modules
2 - 3 different deuterium storages
3 - possible auxiliary deflector (?)
4 - saucer section warp nacelles
5 - redundant unknown objects