Borg Strength

posted on January 16th, 2009, 7:11 pm

Other is Fleetops. 

posted on January 16th, 2009, 7:41 pm

posted on January 17th, 2009, 2:39 am

Resistance is futile.

posted on January 17th, 2009, 2:47 am

Ultimate evil is the Best (though I do like the designs from Voyager, like the Tactical Cube).

posted on January 17th, 2009, 4:07 am

Ultimate evil is the Best (though I do like the designs from Voyager, like the Tactical Cube).

I think that the only reason that the voyager borg seemed pussified is because 7 of 9 was there all the time to explain things. The borg from TNG were unknown at best and that is more fightening, an enemy you dont understand.

posted on January 19th, 2009, 3:05 pm

Also, the addition of the Borg queen reduced the scaryness of the Borg to me. They used to be a single-purposed unstoppable horde, but with the addition of the queen they feel like regular badguys to me...

What do you guys think about this?

posted on January 19th, 2009, 3:36 pm

I liked them ultimativ evil, but I agreed with the writers of voyager: you have to research them, otherwise the audience would have said: "We want to know more about them". This path had to walked. No way around.

posted on January 20th, 2009, 1:51 pm

Probably true, but still; some of the mystery is removed. Still; They're an awesome race! 

posted on January 24th, 2009, 11:15 pm

I have a theory about that whole Queen thing.  (It's really just my attempt to reconcile it with the Borg being dangerous.)

When Picard & Co. sent Hugh back, and the individuality spread, the base Unimatrix severed them from the Unimind to protect the integrity of the Collective.  However, it failed to prevent the spread into the general Borg consciousness, therefore, as the Borg do, it adapted.  It picked a drone, reactivated dormant personality features, reprogrammed her memory, modified her to be 'special', and then edited it's own memory to include her always being there.  By putting in an 'individual' leader, it could submerge the desire to be individuals and let the Collective survive.

Following my theory, after Janeway blew her up, the Backup (Likely a member of Guinan's race, since they don't seem to age, so storing the data there would be safe.  They also appear to have expansive, massive memories, the ability to detect when something is 'not right', and immune to Q tampering.  The perfect storage unit.) will be reactivated and the Unimind rebooted with the corrected 'files'.  At which point, once again the Borg will only use 'individuals' to demand surrender from races who can't conceive of speaking to a hive-mind, and need a 'face man' or a speaker.  AKA, Locutus.

Yeah, it's mostly just a way to 'fix' the Borg, and be done with that whole 'Borg Queen' thing altogether.  If they have a 'Queen', it's the giant computer they built way back when, that serves as the network hub, and with the way the Borg design their ships (every system multiply redundant) it's likely not unique, so Janeway's little stunt likely served no boon to the Federation at all.  Rather, it most likely reasserted the Borg as a legitimate threat without malice, qualm, conscience, mercy, hesitation, fear, hatred, or anything else we could comprehend as an emotion.

posted on January 24th, 2009, 11:21 pm

No, the Borg are the space equivalent of bees. That's the only reason that the Queen even exists. To be a plot device.  Kind of takes the scariness away, though.

posted on January 24th, 2009, 11:22 pm

I really like Silent93's take on the queen. Thanks!  

posted on January 24th, 2009, 11:42 pm

The Borg are the space equivalent of a virus. Every virus can create new viruses which spread without reason, without stopping and assimilate everything, mutating constantly in the process.

The Borg queen is just a very good way of making the Borg more human than they were before (and an attempt to also make them more scary, as to put a human face on evil is to make one think that one can commit that evil).

Btw, A) not all bees are social, workers of social bees will remove the queen if she isn't laying enough eggs/secreting enough pheremones, C) the queen is the reproductive hub. Hence, enough reasons why the Borg Queen is not like a "queen bee" 

posted on January 24th, 2009, 11:46 pm

The Borg are the space equivalent of a virus. Every virus can create new viruses which spread without reason, without stopping and assimilate everything, mutating constantly in the process.

The Borg queen is just a very good way of making the Borg more human than they were before (and an attempt to also make them more scary, as to put a human face on evil is to make one think that one can commit that evil).

Btw, A) not all bees are social, workers of social bees will remove the queen if she isn't laying enough eggs/secreting enough pheremones, C) the queen is the reproductive hub. Hence, enough reasons why the Borg Queen is not like a "queen bee" 

Well, I guess I was wrong. But I was right about her being a plot device.