The truth believed is a lie

posted on November 26th, 2011, 4:17 am

I know people dont have the mind set that works this way. I spend allot of people how have bean trained with this mind set and I can tell you its day and night between what see from people with this mind set and people with out.

For example: I met man be for he got this and he was distrusting defensive from the experiences he faced in life and when he got this and some other things he now is sweet and kind and uses his time to make a real difference in the world.

A woman I met how had bean gang raped as a girl and now is bitter and distrusting never had a relationship with a guy seance. Now she sloped blaming and being a victim forgave the guys that raped her after she got this stuff she is venerable, opened and kind, and dating.

For me I had a toxic relationship with my mom when I got complet with my mom how is a alcoholic I formed a relationship with her that is now closer then I ever that possible.

People how get this not just know this stuff, knowing it makes no difference. and its available for any one and every one. how is mentally well.

I think the only thing that kind of rubs off the wrong way, is that you are assuming everyone has a mindset that doesn't work this way. Lots of people aren't that disconnected from what you are describing. Just taking simply population and facts of geography though, there is a very great diversity to human life, and human circumstance. This isn't an excuse, you are right, anyone can just decide to be a leader one day. However, there would still be gradations and differences. One person will become more of a leader than another person. You will still have people on the bottom. Unless you describe a system for getting rid of that. Right now, what I think is being described is a little abstract. I'm not sure what there is for people to sink their teeth into here and work with. But you sort of set it up like no one thinks of this, free will and potential is something everyone works with.

I am under no allusions for our government ment here in the USA its gona take a real shift and some blood sweet and tears. I get any thing is posable so its likely to take a long time but I can stand for things that are unexpected to show up to!

Truth would be in some way fixed. Let's just take what you are describing. If this is the version of truth you are telling, i.e. concept of chose, effective leadership, reality is creation, then that is a new truth to live by. Believing in those things becomes a new fixed reality. Even if you say 'no no no, this isn't truth, it is just an idea' In some way, truth has to be given an account, and that account would be fixed. It then becomes a matter of our understanding of truth. That might always have means to go deeper and deeper. Truth itself won't change. Regardless of our perception. The way we understand and use it as such, might. Truth is when you build a bomb and set it off it will go boom. But the truth as such doesn't say much. Even if we know that to be true, how do you apply it? Do you use bombs for making dams, or taking down old buildings, or do you use them to kill people. Truth is fixed, but not in its application necessarily. lol and it depends what we are taking as truth... truth of life, truth of human culture etc.

If 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 became the truth its fine as long as they are a fixed truth, then they dont exist, the concepts are dependent on people geting The truth believed is a lie.

I'm still thinking the same thing as before. I don't see what there is to comment on. Your 1. 2. 3. 4, and 5. are not exactly new concepts... lots of people believe in them. I would agree they're more or less good one's. But don't put people off by suggesting this is something they aren't doing. These are basics. If you know anything about the occupy movement its a pretty good example. They're movement fits in to what your saying fairly well, but they have no suggestion on how to change wall street or government... so how do people work with that? Without specifics, the abstract details of the 1-5 still get used, just to varying degree.

Well if there not new you can learn them. Life is about learning and being enriched by what you learn the second you stop you stund your mental growth. There is a concept called beginners mind when every thing is new you can learn new things about things you already new the truth about.

Hm. Um. Not sure if that helped or not.

My example could have been better. You say go into wind, wind kills birds. It makes the landscape look less beautiful. Wind can only work where there is wind... i.e. places where winds are worth building those wind turbines. Cost. Jobs... how many people does it take to build and maintain them, is the job sustainable. etc (again, its all in balancing the application of truth, it is very very easy to just say there are other possibilities, of course! everyone believes that. It's making those possibilities work, so that they work for everyone. That is not easy)

There is nothing wrong with saying free will is avenue to greater potential.

I think the only thing that kind of rubs off the wrong way, is that you are assuming everyone has a mindset that doesn't work this way. Lots of people aren't that disconnected from what you are describing. Just taking simply population and facts of geography though, there is a very great diversity to human life, and human circumstance. This isn't an excuse, you are right, anyone can just decide to be a leader one day. However, there would still be gradations and differences. One person will become more of a leader than another person. You will still have people on the bottom. Unless you describe a system for getting rid of that. Right now, what I think is being described is a little abstract. I'm not sure what there is for people to sink their teeth into here and work with. But you sort of set it up like no one thinks of this, free will and potential is something everyone works with.

Truth would be in some way fixed. Let's just take what you are describing. If this is the version of truth you are telling, i.e. concept of chose, effective leadership, reality is creation, then that is a new truth to live by. Believing in those things becomes a new fixed reality. Even if you say 'no no no, this isn't truth, it is just an idea' In some way, truth has to be given an account, and that account would be fixed. It then becomes a matter of our understanding of truth. That might always have means to go deeper and deeper. Truth itself won't change. Regardless of our perception. The way we understand and use it as such, might. Truth is when you build a bomb and set it off it will go boom. But the truth as such doesn't say much. Even if we know that to be true, how do you apply it? Do you use bombs for making dams, or taking down old buildings, or do you use them to kill people. Truth is fixed, but not in its application necessarily. lol and it depends what we are taking as truth... truth of life, truth of human culture etc.

I'm still thinking the same thing as before. I don't see what there is to comment on. Your 1. 2. 3. 4, and 5. are not exactly new concepts... lots of people believe in them. I would agree they're more or less good one's. But don't put people off by suggesting this is something they aren't doing. These are basics. If you know anything about the occupy movement its a pretty good example. They're movement fits in to what your saying fairly well, but they have no suggestion on how to change wall street or government... so how do people work with that? Without specifics, the abstract details of the 1-5 still get used, just to varying degree.

posted on November 26th, 2011, 5:22 am

Perhaps we are just looking at something from different vantage points. They might not be so dissimilar.

I will impart my own view in a slight rework of what I think it is you are saying.

"life is about learning and being enriched by what you learn" . "the second you stop"

I think it starts off pretty good. But you end it with a negative. The ending part of your statement sets conditions that I don't think are aligned with your point.

instead of "you stunt your mental growth", which would lead to a rather long circle of living and learning, living and learning, living and learning, being enriched all the way. because otherwise, (negative) you stunt your mental growth. Sort of sets a gloomy tone, don't you think? It sort of dictates that no matter what you learn, it will never be good enough, and you will just need to go on learning and learning. Now, that's not necessarily what you are trying to say, and I understand that... but at some point it has to go somewhere. This whole process of life.

Earlier in your posts, you described action and leadership, which is also fine.

"Life is about learning and being enriched by what you learn." "The second you" - find what you are looking for, the truth we all are looking for (the idealist in me coming out) is the moment you "stop" to share it with every one else, so they can share it with you. Enriching the lives of others through your own learned experiences.

Don't set yourself up for a life of continuous learning that is unending. What are you hoping to learn? If you learn something worthwhile, share it with others. Enrich everyone's life.

For instance, in the examples you stated, you are showing a learning of unconditional love, or forgiveness. Or expanded understanding for these things. A genuine action you can do to share this with others then is all you would need.

Recognition for when you have learned something that is worth keeping is important for the balancing aspect. I.e. when you fined something that is worth being 'fixed'. If you have a fixed motivation of unconditional love and forgiveness, how can this be a truth that is not worth being fixed? It never needs to fear decay, you won't lose these understandings. The experiences that show you true love and forgiveness are not easily forgotten, and hopefully can be shared in a meaningful way. If you did find these truths, i.e. the importance of love, but then just discarded it to keep learning learning learning... you then might forget, and have to relearn it all over.

As for the 'beginner's mind' there is a phrase "to see through the eyes of a child (again)", which I believe shares the same meaning. You see things as though for the first time, new, and without preconceptions that cloud the truth.

The truths believed are a lie... then is a problematic statement. What if the truth believed is one of love and forgiveness? Those are never lies if they are genuine. And should remain unchanging, because we would always want those as truths. What are the 'truths' you are talking about? The truths seen with the eyes, perhaps can be misperceptions that are not truths. You can then expand on the truths as the mind sees them, in theory. There are also truths of the heart. And if the truths exercised are of love and forgiveness, no one benefits in changing them.

But like was hinted at earlier in another's post, things are brought up over history again and again.

There is always context to be considered. In times past, unconditional love in quality might have still been the same, unconditional love is unconditional love, but the circumstances surrounding it, and what is needed to reach it vary. In the past, wars were fought with swords, bows, and horses. Were there atrocities, rape and the like? Of course. And love meant living with these things, forgiving them, and moving past to heal.

And now? It's the same story, you have love, and you have war, and you have rape. But now, we have the internet. I can see someone's pain from across a continent, something I wouldn't have Witnessed (i.e. seen from documentary or otherwise) as those in history would. People in history would have heard tales of massacres, as from survivors. We get to see them from images taken with a cellular phone. We live in an age of bullets, and shrapnel. There are no far off corners of the earth anymore, nowhere to hide. So when we look for love, it is in a different context, with different circumstances.

Truths of love will always be there. It is better to love. It is very simple. But the lesson still has to be learned by each generation. And each generation will have its own challenges to face. It's own unique context.

I understand setting up things as between people who have this mindset and those who don't, but it might not be the most advantageous. Those who don't, might just be under circumstances that make truth harder to find, love or otherwise. But in the end, just look for ways to help. Labelling and classifying doesn't generally offer much. Instead of challenging and looking to set up a system of 'have and have nots', just give the sentiment.

In this case, I think your message is one of free will, and its potential. Proper leadership, and responsible action. Just focus on those. Don't worry about where the mistakes are. If you give sound advice, mistakes will correct themselves by anyone who applies the truth you are suggesting. Unfortunately, it can still get messy. You can try to act out of love, and it can have ill-desired effects. In general, a result of misperception. For instance, if you had a case of someone saying, if you love me, you'll do this for me. So it might seem like love is not so easy, or there are cases where things can be done out of love that don't work out right.

Then it is just a measure of how well you are applying the truth. More or less. Someone who uses passive-aggressiveness behind the veils of love, is not really genuinely acting out of love. You don't threaten, if you love me then do this. That is conditional. Or you might have someone who steals food because she loves her children, and can't do anything else to feed them. Apply the truth correctly, and you will always get your answer.

Truth, when it is something that is noteworthy to be the truth, when it can be used in a balanced manner, is not something that changes. It simply needs to be revealed in a way we understand and recognize to be true.

posted on November 26th, 2011, 6:47 pm

Hey my man you killing me with these long posts I am dyslexic. :-)

I think it starts off pretty good. But you end it with a negative. The ending part of your statement sets conditions that I don't think are aligned with your point.

Well they dont accrue as negative to me or the people I know how use this way of thinking I do think its sad when some one limits them self.

instead of "you stunt your mental growth", which would lead to a rather long circle of living and learning, living and learning, living and learning, being enriched all the way. because otherwise, (negative) you stunt your mental growth. Sort of sets a gloomy tone, don't you think? It sort of dictates that no matter what you learn, it will never be good enough, and you will just need to go on learning and learning. Now, that's not necessarily what you are trying to say, and I understand that... but at some point it has to go somewhere. This whole process of life.

It is pretty gloomy thats why I post what I post on this site and spend my time creating community development projects to give people a chose.

Don't set yourself up for a life of continuous learning that is unending. What are you hoping to learn? If you learn something worthwhile, share it with others. Enrich everyone's life.

Its what life all about, I dont wont to stop learning until I am in a box in the ground.

Recognition for when you have learned something that is worth keeping is important for the balancing aspect. I.e. when you fined something that is worth being 'fixed'. If you have a fixed motivation of unconditional love and forgiveness, how can this be a truth that is not worth being fixed? It never needs to fear decay, you won't lose these understandings. The experiences that show you true love and forgiveness are not easily forgotten, and hopefully can be shared in a meaningful way. If you did find these truths, i.e. the importance of love, but then just discarded it to keep learning learning learning... you then might forget, and have to relearn it all over.

I dont discard anything unless it dose not work for me. Learning new things nose not mean losing old things. I am guessing what your gripping with here is how to keep a possibility alive aka Love, the answer is "Is choosing" You know what you on the planet for in if you look in to your hart its there,

Every (mentally healthy person) is up to making a difference though, they dont all ways get that. the burden of survival is over overwhelming for most. after one gets what I am creating for you hear now once this is gotten becoming braking up survival to make a difference.

As for the 'beginner's mind' there is a phrase "to see through the eyes of a child (again)", which I believe shares the same meaning. You see things as though for the first time, new, and without preconceptions that cloud the truth.

One and the same.

The truths believed are a lie... then is a problematic statement. What if the truth believed is one of love and forgiveness? Those are never lies if they are genuine. And should remain unchanging, because we would always want those as truths. What are the 'truths' you are talking about? The truths seen with the eyes, perhaps can be misperceptions that are not truths. You can then expand on the truths as the mind sees them, in theory. There are also truths of the heart. And if the truths exercised are of love and forgiveness, no one benefits in changing them.

I happened to think Love and Kindess are cornerstones of a happy person, I all so get they are not fixed truths.

A other perspective on this, if they are fixed truths to you can not relate to people how see them as fixed truths. to make a hug difference in the world you need to be willing to give all you have to create it including your sacred cows. if your not willing to do this you can only relate to people you agree with.

And now? It's the same story, you have love, and you have war, and you have rape. But now, we have the internet. I can see someone's pain from across a continent, something I wouldn't have Witnessed (i.e. seen from documentary or otherwise) as those in history would. People in history would have heard tales of massacres, as from survivors. We get to see them from images taken with a cellular phone. We live in an age of bullets, and shrapnel. There are no far off corners of the earth anymore, nowhere to hide. So when we look for love, it is in a different context, with different circumstances.

The way the world is now war is part of it, we get to say how we are in the face of turmeric events. You can ether be a victim or a the pathway for healing. things can shift.

Global worming about to wipe more then 3 quoters or more of the earth population away, we may create some thing completely new after it happens. 

Truths of love will always be there. It is better to love. It is very simple. But the lesson still has to be learned by each generation. And each generation will have its own challenges to face. It's own unique context.

The thing about truth is its dependent on humans to exist, and the trap is humans think its part of reality, and it not just our reality.

I understand setting up things as between people who have this mindset and those who don't, but it might not be the most advantageous. Those who don't, might just be under circumstances that make truth harder to find, love or otherwise. But in the end, just look for ways to help. Labelling and classifying doesn't generally offer much. Instead of challenging and looking to set up a system of 'have and have nots', just give the sentiment.

I dont understand this it may be from reading fatigue, but can you say more about this.

In this case, I think your message is one of free will, and its potential. Proper leadership, and responsible action. Just focus on those. Don't worry about where the mistakes are. If you give sound advice, mistakes will correct themselves by anyone who applies the truth you are suggesting. Unfortunately, it can still get messy. You can try to act out of love, and it can have ill-desired effects. In general, a result of misperception. For instance, if you had a case of someone saying, if you love me, you'll do this for me. So it might seem like love is not so easy, or there are cases where things can be done out of love that don't work out right.

If we dont all win none of us wins. you can only run as fast as your slowest body part will let you.

Then it is just a measure of how well you are applying the truth. More or less. Someone who uses passive-aggressiveness behind the veils of love, is not really genuinely acting out of love. You don't threaten, if you love me then do this. That is conditional. Or you might have someone who steals food because she loves her children, and can't do anything else to feed them. Apply the truth correctly, and you will always get your answer.

Truth, when it is something that is noteworthy to be the truth, when it can be used in a balanced manner, is not something that changes. It simply needs to be revealed in a way we understand and recognize to be true.

I cant answer the I can not concentrate any more.

Perhaps we are just looking at something from different vantage points. They might not be so dissimilar.

I will impart my own view in a slight rework of what I think it is you are saying.

"life is about learning and being enriched by what you learn" . "the second you stop"

I think it starts off pretty good. But you end it with a negative. The ending part of your statement sets conditions that I don't think are aligned with your point.

instead of "you stunt your mental growth", which would lead to a rather long circle of living and learning, living and learning, living and learning, being enriched all the way. because otherwise, (negative) you stunt your mental growth. Sort of sets a gloomy tone, don't you think? It sort of dictates that no matter what you learn, it will never be good enough, and you will just need to go on learning and learning. Now, that's not necessarily what you are trying to say, and I understand that... but at some point it has to go somewhere. This whole process of life.

Earlier in your posts, you described action and leadership, which is also fine.

"Life is about learning and being enriched by what you learn." "The second you" - find what you are looking for, the truth we all are looking for (the idealist in me coming out) is the moment you "stop" to share it with every one else, so they can share it with you. Enriching the lives of others through your own learned experiences.

Don't set yourself up for a life of continuous learning that is unending. What are you hoping to learn? If you learn something worthwhile, share it with others. Enrich everyone's life.

For instance, in the examples you stated, you are showing a learning of unconditional love, or forgiveness. Or expanded understanding for these things. A genuine action you can do to share this with others then is all you would need.

Recognition for when you have learned something that is worth keeping is important for the balancing aspect. I.e. when you fined something that is worth being 'fixed'. If you have a fixed motivation of unconditional love and forgiveness, how can this be a truth that is not worth being fixed? It never needs to fear decay, you won't lose these understandings. The experiences that show you true love and forgiveness are not easily forgotten, and hopefully can be shared in a meaningful way. If you did find these truths, i.e. the importance of love, but then just discarded it to keep learning learning learning... you then might forget, and have to relearn it all over.

As for the 'beginner's mind' there is a phrase "to see through the eyes of a child (again)", which I believe shares the same meaning. You see things as though for the first time, new, and without preconceptions that cloud the truth.

The truths believed are a lie... then is a problematic statement. What if the truth believed is one of love and forgiveness? Those are never lies if they are genuine. And should remain unchanging, because we would always want those as truths. What are the 'truths' you are talking about? The truths seen with the eyes, perhaps can be misperceptions that are not truths. You can then expand on the truths as the mind sees them, in theory. There are also truths of the heart. And if the truths exercised are of love and forgiveness, no one benefits in changing them.

But like was hinted at earlier in another's post, things are brought up over history again and again.

There is always context to be considered. In times past, unconditional love in quality might have still been the same, unconditional love is unconditional love, but the circumstances surrounding it, and what is needed to reach it vary. In the past, wars were fought with swords, bows, and horses. Were there atrocities, rape and the like? Of course. And love meant living with these things, forgiving them, and moving past to heal.

And now? It's the same story, you have love, and you have war, and you have rape. But now, we have the internet. I can see someone's pain from across a continent, something I wouldn't have Witnessed (i.e. seen from documentary or otherwise) as those in history would. People in history would have heard tales of massacres, as from survivors. We get to see them from images taken with a cellular phone. We live in an age of bullets, and shrapnel. There are no far off corners of the earth anymore, nowhere to hide. So when we look for love, it is in a different context, with different circumstances.

Truths of love will always be there. It is better to love. It is very simple. But the lesson still has to be learned by each generation. And each generation will have its own challenges to face. It's own unique context.

I understand setting up things as between people who have this mindset and those who don't, but it might not be the most advantageous. Those who don't, might just be under circumstances that make truth harder to find, love or otherwise. But in the end, just look for ways to help. Labelling and classifying doesn't generally offer much. Instead of challenging and looking to set up a system of 'have and have nots', just give the sentiment.

In this case, I think your message is one of free will, and its potential. Proper leadership, and responsible action. Just focus on those. Don't worry about where the mistakes are. If you give sound advice, mistakes will correct themselves by anyone who applies the truth you are suggesting. Unfortunately, it can still get messy. You can try to act out of love, and it can have ill-desired effects. In general, a result of misperception. For instance, if you had a case of someone saying, if you love me, you'll do this for me. So it might seem like love is not so easy, or there are cases where things can be done out of love that don't work out right.

Then it is just a measure of how well you are applying the truth. More or less. Someone who uses passive-aggressiveness behind the veils of love, is not really genuinely acting out of love. You don't threaten, if you love me then do this. That is conditional. Or you might have someone who steals food because she loves her children, and can't do anything else to feed them. Apply the truth correctly, and you will always get your answer.

Truth, when it is something that is noteworthy to be the truth, when it can be used in a balanced manner, is not something that changes. It simply needs to be revealed in a way we understand and recognize to be true.

[godsvoice]

posted on November 26th, 2011, 9:24 pm

Last edited by godsvoice on November 26th, 2011, 9:27 pm, edited 1 time in total.

I'm not great with shortened posts. I like completeness. But, in interest of being concise, I'll try to stay on track. lol I don't even own a cell phone. Everyone around me does the 140 character texts and is a pro at shortened posts. It drives me insane. Say something. For me, I prefer things done in person. It seems like things get across better.

I'm not sure the best way to make this point. Let's say I give you the three most treasured things in the world. Not in a greedy unsophisticated way, as if there is a right and wrong way to treasure things. Genuinely though, happiness, hope etc. Whatever they are. You wrote later its about keeping the possibility open.. ok great. In order to do that you have to choose that. Great. We agree. Now, if in having these treasured things, you learn the greatest things imaginable, why are you going to spend the rest of your life trying to keep learning new things? I agree, there will always be something new worth learning, absolutely. It is also noteworthy to recognize which things are good to hold on to, that you can live with, and be content without having to 'learn' anything else. These aren't areas you need to keep learning. You don't relearn every day. You choose to love. Where is the learning curve here? I'm done learning. Now I'm applying. Although, I suppose in a sense you can continue to experience deeper and deeper love. But I'm just not so sure about this learning side of it.

I don't like the idea of a gloomy philosophy... because no life mindset needs to be. You write you can only relate to people you agree with, if ideas of truth are fixed. Well, I'm not sure about this. But even so, why would I want to set up a fixed gloomy truth of needing to learn learn learn, with the fear of mentally stunting my growth if I ever chose to pause. Sometimes it is good to take time, appreciate what you have already learned.

I wouldn't worry about the rest of it. I like getting into the ideas of everything, but not so easy to do it shortly.

Because as for the rest of it, you are advocating 'Choose'. Which I am taking to mean free will. Semantics might be getting in the way a little... but still. It would just be the process where there might be some difference, but I don't think it is a big deal. Overall, who doesn't want choice to be a part of their life.

posted on November 27th, 2011, 2:35 am

Well are you looking for completeness or just allot of typing. people how can convoy what they wont to say in few words efficiently are seen as more power full then those how need lots of words.

I don't like the idea of a gloomy philosophy... because no life mindset needs to be. You write you can only relate to people you agree with, if ideas of truth are fixed. Well, I'm not sure about this. But even so, why would I want to set up a fixed gloomy truth of needing to learn learn learn, with the fear of mentally stunting my growth if I ever chose to pause. Sometimes it is good to take time, appreciate what you have already learned.

The world can be a curl place if you can in brace the pain you can never get to the other side of it. part of life is pain if you can not in brace plain your going to be living only part of life not relay living. there is a famous saying I know "what ever you resist persists".



there is some thing on the other side of pain some times and if your not willing to see it your stuck.

Because as for the rest of it, you are advocating 'Choose'. Which I am taking to mean free will.

Its not, you dont have it yet. free will is need for choose but its not choose. You can have free will and dont choose.

I'm not great with shortened posts. I like completeness. But, in interest of being concise, I'll try to stay on track. lol I don't even own a cell phone. Everyone around me does the 140 character texts and is a pro at shortened posts. It drives me insane. Say something. For me, I prefer things done in person. It seems like things get across better.

I'm not sure the best way to make this point. Let's say I give you the three most treasured things in the world. Not in a greedy unsophisticated way, as if there is a right and wrong way to treasure things. Genuinely though, happiness, hope etc. Whatever they are. You wrote later its about keeping the possibility open.. ok great. In order to do that you have to choose that. Great. We agree. Now, if in having these treasured things, you learn the greatest things imaginable, why are you going to spend the rest of your life trying to keep learning new things? I agree, there will always be something new worth learning, absolutely. It is also noteworthy to recognize which things are good to hold on to, that you can live with, and be content without having to 'learn' anything else. These aren't areas you need to keep learning. You don't relearn every day. You choose to love. Where is the learning curve here? I'm done learning. Now I'm applying. Although, I suppose in a sense you can continue to experience deeper and deeper love. But I'm just not so sure about this learning side of it.

I don't like the idea of a gloomy philosophy... because no life mindset needs to be. You write you can only relate to people you agree with, if ideas of truth are fixed. Well, I'm not sure about this. But even so, why would I want to set up a fixed gloomy truth of needing to learn learn learn, with the fear of mentally stunting my growth if I ever chose to pause. Sometimes it is good to take time, appreciate what you have already learned.

I wouldn't worry about the rest of it. I like getting into the ideas of everything, but not so easy to do it shortly.

Because as for the rest of it, you are advocating 'Choose'. Which I am taking to mean free will. Semantics might be getting in the way a little... but still. It would just be the process where there might be some difference, but I don't think it is a big deal. Overall, who doesn't want choice to be a part of their life.

[godsvoice]

posted on November 27th, 2011, 7:40 am

Last edited by godsvoice on November 27th, 2011, 7:49 am, edited 1 time in total.

Where did power come from? What does the amount of words used matter? A complete thought.

I think you have a fairly narrow view of truth. And you are using a very rigid fixed idea of truth in how you deal and interpret what others say. Something you seem to be arguing against. You aren't making complete points. Part of the problem.

I'll keep it short through an example: you stated a view of learning as helping to enrich your life, yet view not learning or 'to stop' as leading to stunting mental growth.

This isn't necessarily so, learning has built in limits for a reason: understanding. "You have to learn to walk before you can run." In contrast: "Sometimes you have to run before you can walk." Both work.

Taking a pause from learning does not result in stunting mental growth. Integration is also a part of the process.

Short 'n' sweet.

I.e. I can learn 50 equations for a test tomorrow. Literally, I could, I'm very good with short term memory. But what if I just forget them all in a month? What's the point? Learning also requires understanding and integration, where you take rest. A lot of my comments are just attempting to show alternative sides to what you sometimes post. But inevitably, all I get in return is no to what I say, and you just restate your point as if I said nothing. It is a little awkward. I get the sense you aren't grasping what I'm saying.

posted on November 27th, 2011, 7:56 pm

Where did power come from? What does the amount of words used matter? A complete thought.

- Have you ever sat though a lecher? Even good ones get draggy at times. NOW when you hear some thing like: The truth believed is a lie. There is no dragging in the conversation no time wasted non used inefficiently you just get what I am saying.

There is a resign why bumper stickers are so effective. If you master saying long complicated thing in few words your going to be able to get people interest allot more then with out.

Advertising agencies use short phrases in ads because it works. if more is need latter they thats able to but you can loss a topic by barring it with word.

I think you have a fairly narrow view of truth. And you are using a very rigid fixed idea of truth in how you deal and interpret what others say. Something you seem to be arguing against. You aren't making complete points. Part of the problem.

Yes the only thing thats true to me is that there is no truth/fixed/rigged.

I'll keep it short through an example: you stated a view of learning as helping to enrich your life, yet view not learning or 'to stop' as leading to stunting mental growth.

No one can relay stop learning all to gather. even when you sleep you remember your dreams. If you have fixed truths you still learn but your learning because about how to prove your fixed truth is real instead of learning about what accurate. so when I say it stunts mental growth, I am referring to the point where you stop seeing every thing and only things that are inline with your fixed truth.

This isn't necessarily so, learning has built in limits for a reason: understanding. "You have to learn to walk before you can run." In contrast: "Sometimes you have to run before you can walk." Both work.

Learning did not people did. people build in there own limits. Example I don't have them and I still learn.

Taking a pause from learning does not result in stunting mental growth. Integration is also a part of the process.

What your saying is like saying is like If I only you one eye I can still see we don't need two. witch is true good luck on seeing distance though.

Short 'n' sweet.

Much apprised thank you!

I.e. I can learn 50 equations for a test tomorrow. Literally, I could, I'm very good with short term memory. But what if I just forget them all in a month? What's the point? Learning also requires understanding and integration, where you take rest. A lot of my comments are just attempting to show alternative sides to what you sometimes post. But inevitably, all I get in return is no to what I say, and you just restate your point as if I said nothing. It is a little awkward. I get the sense you aren't grasping what I'm saying.

This is why taking note where invented.

[godsvoice]

posted on November 27th, 2011, 8:45 pm

Last edited by godsvoice on November 27th, 2011, 9:18 pm, edited 1 time in total.

Sigh
Yes, I've sat through lectures. If you have a really good prof. it doesn't drag. When people hear something like "The truth believed is a lie" ... people actually Don't just get what you are saying. You have to explain it in the thread you started.

The truth believed is a lie is actually very vague. What truth? What's the lie? Truth believed by who? The truth believed by scientists? Truth believed by artists, writers, Christians, Jews? Is it all a lie, or just parts of it? Not everyone believes the whole story of some truths.

Unfortunately, it might seem like small statements are effective, but often they are superficial or cliches, which require a fair bit of expanding. Now, when you have expanded upon them, you can go back to using the short phrase. Politicians and ad campaigns that used short clips generally lack substance. Some catch phrase does not translate to a well thought out plan.

999.
Golden Rule.
Love thy neighbour.
Yes we can.
Eh.

I feel so powerful right now. Four statements. Unfortunately, these in themselves say what? If people don't know what they refer to, I have to expand on them until they understand. (Someone either knows or doesn't know what 999, golden rule, love they neighbour, or yes we can refers to. If they do... ok. If they don't it has to be expanded upon. Even if they do, it doesn't mean saying 999 is effective communication. They could either agree or disagree with 999. And a long conversation would still result. If you never have an open meaningful conversation that imaginably would take some time, then the lines themselves are pretty empty, makes sense, yes? Hopefully everyone knows, understands, and agrees with Golden rule, but as for 999.. that is up to debate etc.)

Saying long complicated things is not replaced by using a few simple words.

"Yes the only thing thats true to me is that there is no truth/fixed/rigid." - ah yes, but then that would be a fixed truth, then, wouldn't it. It is absolutely fixedly true, that truth is not fixed. See the problems we run into.

The rest of my post you really mangled. I don't even see how what you are saying relates to what I was saying.

"I am referring to the point where you stop seeing every thing and only things that are inline with your fixed truth" - But now realize that you have a fixed truth. You have a fixed perception that truth is not fixed... THAT IS FIXED, or absolute. Therefore, you have a limit. This is relativity Things are relative. But then it is absolutely True that things are relative. So now everything you see, is in line with a fixed truth, that there is no fixed truth.

"What your saying is like saying If I only used one eye I can still see we don't need two. witch is true good luck on seeing distance though." - this is not at all what I said. Even with two eyes, you need to integrate and understand what you see.

Fine take notes. When you take notes, you aren't learning. You're integrating. You are writing it down, and remembering. You have to take time to stop and do that.

It is true, we can always learn. But the process isn't learn learn learn. You need to sleep. So you are limited in what you can learn in your waking hours.

posted on November 27th, 2011, 10:34 pm

Proof means nothing if people dont wont to hear it. So if you dont create some thing in the time line people wont they will not lessening to you.

Some times they do just get what your saying, they got what I wonted them to get when I used: The truth believed is a lie, what I wonted what people to be confused maybe even a little un-conferrable yet interested and I got that. What I was going for was enough intrigue that they click on the thread.

Well the hit count on this thread was all most 2x the counts on other threads twice the size in a shorter amount of time.

What I diid was efective.

I feel so powerful right now. Four statements. Unfortunately, these in themselves say what? If people don't know what they refer to, I have to expand on them until they understand. (Someone either knows or doesn't know what 999, golden rule, love they neighbour, or yes we can refers to. If they do... ok. If they don't it has to be expanded upon. Even if they do, it doesn't mean saying 999 is effective communication. They could either agree or disagree with 999. And a long conversation would still result. If you never have an open meaningful conversation that imaginably would take some time, then the lines themselves are pretty empty, makes sense, yes? Hopefully everyone knows, understands, and agrees with Golden rule, but as for 999.. that is up to debate etc.)

as far as 999 was efective Cain became the frontrunner of the party for a while.

Love thy neighbor. Christianity is a leading religion.

Yes we can. Obamas president.

Golden Rule. not share wat that refers too. or Eh.

superficial or cliches, are in the realm of a truth you have about short statements whats clear is they work and if your interested in what works you may wont to get interested in them.

Saying long complicated things is not replaced by using a few simple words.

Saying long complicated things is not replaced by using a few simple words. Some times it done. I have seen people trying for day to create a distention of a person I come through say 3 words and they get it and the person expanding the distention is dumfounded. I love doing that!

"Yes the only thing thats true to me is that there is no truth/fixed/rigid." - ah yes, but then that would be a fixed truth, then, wouldn't it. It is absolutely fixedly true, that truth is not fixed. See the problems we run into.

Its not a problem for me. And if a other truth came along I would still be opened to it though I dont see how it could ever be proved.

The rest of my post you really mangled. I don't even see how what you are saying relates to what I was saying.

Stop making these long posts and you will get less mangled ones.

"I am referring to the point where you stop seeing every thing and only things that are inline with your fixed truth" - But now realize that you have a fixed truth. You have a fixed perception that truth is not fixed... THAT IS FIXED, or absolute. Therefore, you have a limit. This is relativity Things are relative. But then it is absolutely True that things are relative. So now everything you see, is in line with a fixed truth, that there is no fixed truth.

Yep,

What your saying is like saying If I only used one eye I can still see we don't need two. witch is true good luck on seeing distance though." - this is not at all what I said. Even with two eyes, you need to integrate and understand what you see.

With being ok with fixed truths its like being ok with just using one eye to see it limites you.

The more fixed truths you have the more life is fixed. people how do grate things and or love there life are on a mistion to take them out.

Fine take notes. When you take notes, you aren't learning. You're integrating. You are writing it down, and remembering. You have to take time to stop and do that.

I dont get that your not learning. there more to learning then just hoarding facts.

It is true, we can always learn. But the process isn't learn learn learn. You need to sleep. So you are limited in what you can learn in your waking hours.

That is true we have not bean able to remove sleep and keep a high quality of performance.

Sigh
Yes, I've sat through lectures. If you have a really good prof. it doesn't drag. When people hear something like "The truth believed is a lie" ... people actually Don't just get what you are saying. You have to explain it in the thread you started.

The truth believed is a lie is actually very vague. What truth? What's the lie? Truth believed by who? The truth believed by scientists? Truth believed by artists, writers, Christians, Jews? Is it all a lie, or just parts of it? Not everyone believes the whole story of some truths.

Unfortunately, it might seem like small statements are effective, but often they are superficial or cliches, which require a fair bit of expanding. Now, when you have expanded upon them, you can go back to using the short phrase. Politicians and ad campaigns that used short clips generally lack substance. Some catch phrase does not translate to a well thought out plan.

999.
Golden Rule.
Love thy neighbour.
Yes we can.
Eh.

I feel so powerful right now. Four statements. Unfortunately, these in themselves say what? If people don't know what they refer to, I have to expand on them until they understand. (Someone either knows or doesn't know what 999, golden rule, love they neighbour, or yes we can refers to. If they do... ok. If they don't it has to be expanded upon. Even if they do, it doesn't mean saying 999 is effective communication. They could either agree or disagree with 999. And a long conversation would still result. If you never have an open meaningful conversation that imaginably would take some time, then the lines themselves are pretty empty, makes sense, yes? Hopefully everyone knows, understands, and agrees with Golden rule, but as for 999.. that is up to debate etc.)

Saying long complicated things is not replaced by using a few simple words.

"Yes the only thing thats true to me is that there is no truth/fixed/rigid." - ah yes, but then that would be a fixed truth, then, wouldn't it. It is absolutely fixedly true, that truth is not fixed. See the problems we run into.

The rest of my post you really mangled. I don't even see how what you are saying relates to what I was saying.

"I am referring to the point where you stop seeing every thing and only things that are inline with your fixed truth" - But now realize that you have a fixed truth. You have a fixed perception that truth is not fixed... THAT IS FIXED, or absolute. Therefore, you have a limit. This is relativity Things are relative. But then it is absolutely True that things are relative. So now everything you see, is in line with a fixed truth, that there is no fixed truth.

"What your saying is like saying If I only used one eye I can still see we don't need two. witch is true good luck on seeing distance though." - this is not at all what I said. Even with two eyes, you need to integrate and understand what you see.

Fine take notes. When you take notes, you aren't learning. You're integrating. You are writing it down, and remembering. You have to take time to stop and do that.

It is true, we can always learn. But the process isn't learn learn learn. You need to sleep. So you are limited in what you can learn in your waking hours.

I wont to create a new destination,

"The future you living in to"


The future you are living into give you your experience you have now. If life sucks this is one of the places you will wont to look.

If you are living in to a a future that sucks your life will suck.

If your living in to a some thing exiting  you life will be grate!

You wont to always have a future that call you in to your power! you may say this makes sense and its easy. its one the things that is offen missing when I coach them.

posted on November 28th, 2011, 12:25 am

Ewm, either you're not listening, or you just aren't getting what I'm saying.

You just admitted that by using "The truth believed is a lie", you were ok with people being confused and even a little uncomfortable, - JUST - so they would be interested in clicking your thread.

This is not effective communication. That is a popularity contest.

If you are just using small phrases to get attention, to confuse people, or get noticed... how is this in any way defending the use of using small phrases.

The point is that they still have to read your thread. You still have to write posts, put in youtube clips to explain it all.

You defend the effectiveness of "The truth believed is a lie" simply in the sense that it got views. It didn't add to understanding - you put in, what I wanted was people to be confused, uncomfortable but interested. Using short phrases with the hopes of getting people confused so they will read something ... seems childish.

You are not discussing truth here, or the manner which it is related, short or long.

It doesn't matter that using 999 got Cain to top of polls now. Truth is not just about what is popular. It needs SUBSTANCE. The 999 plan or recognizing it as Cain is short yes. Would you care to explain the theory to me? It isn't enough to just state three words. It still has to be explained.

What if you wrote something for a topic like: You have the ability to Choose your life.

See, that would be effective. Then in your post you could describe why truth maybe lies if it is covering this up.

In any case, I think I'm going to bring my comments in this thread to a close.

posted on November 28th, 2011, 5:40 pm

My guess is you have some truth about being comfortable you are unwilling to deal with wich is ok this was a side topic I am more interested in you geting the larger point I am making.

This is not effective communication. That is a popularity contest.

I have bean training for 5 years intensively it works just trust me there. Its ok if you dont wont to look here its ok. Now with my spelling/reading and limited you tube clips it is very very hard create what I am trying to create. Plus its not the FIXed truth so if you dot like it dont use it.

... seems childish.

Take on thats just how it seems. every new idea that changed the world seemed weird and strange the 1st time it was herd thankfully people where not stopped by there feelings about it.

SUBSTANCE

are you share there have bean allot of dictators that tricked the populations with just a message and no what I think you are calling substance.

michele bachmann of the republican party says thing that are off the wall and strange, yet she was a front runner for along time in the US rase for president.

Define important? and important to how.

What if you wrote something for a topic like: You have the ability to Choose your life.

People would not click it be cose there is no intrest for them.

The idea of chose in to days world is a fixed truth sadly and people would likely dis miss it.

When you start talking about truth people go ape shit. they are relay invested in the concept of truth and they have bean know to kill to perfect it.

This is why I chose this title. and I chose this title that was even more efective. And wish I would have used this one agin.

//www.fleetops.net/component/option,com_smf/Itemid,3/topic,10778.0/

a title about Truth seemed more appropriate because people need to get loosened up around truth be for they can hear choosing.

See, that would be effective. Then in your post you could describe why truth maybe lies if it is covering this up.

I have found describing thing around these concepts is a trap. you go in to debating and never come out you need to experience these things in some way thats why I use you tube clips allot.

In any case, I think I'm going to bring my comments in this thread to a close.

I am sorry to hear that, I appreciate your open minders and egger ness to learn I hope you post a reply.

Ewm, either you're not listening, or you just aren't getting what I'm saying.

You just admitted that by using "The truth believed is a lie", you were ok with people being confused and even a little uncomfortable, - JUST - so they would be interested in clicking your thread.

This is not effective communication. That is a popularity contest.

If you are just using small phrases to get attention, to confuse people, or get noticed... how is this in any way defending the use of using small phrases.

The point is that they still have to read your thread. You still have to write posts, put in youtube clips to explain it all.

You defend the effectiveness of "The truth believed is a lie" simply in the sense that it got views. It didn't add to understanding - you put in, what I wanted was people to be confused, uncomfortable but interested. Using short phrases with the hopes of getting people confused so they will read something ... seems childish.

You are not discussing truth here, or the manner which it is related, short or long.

It doesn't matter that using 999 got Cain to top of polls now. Truth is not just about what is popular. It needs SUBSTANCE. The 999 plan or recognizing it as Cain is short yes. Would you care to explain the theory to me? It isn't enough to just state three words. It still has to be explained.

What if you wrote something for a topic like: You have the ability to Choose your life.

See, that would be effective. Then in your post you could describe why truth maybe lies if it is covering this up.

In any case, I think I'm going to bring my comments in this thread to a close.

posted on November 28th, 2011, 7:22 pm

The thread just isn't going anywhere.

We have different phenomenologies.

The weird thing is just how it doesn't seem to translate. I'm not saying anything against choosing. Choice is fine.

We've kind of dominated the thread. People might be clicking on it, to read our posts or I have no clue what, but they aren't posting anything themselves.

I'm fairly well versed in philosophy, it's part of what I took at university and got my degree in. Something I enjoyed in high school, and still try to keep up to date on. I've already stated the connection to free will. You don't agree... which is peculiar considering that free will is humanity's ability to choose, and when you choose, you use your free will. But you don't clarify why free will, ( the ability to choose ), and to choose is different from choose (however you look at it). Because they are practically the same thing. You just say "that's not it". Why? Anything to do with choice, falls under the category of free will. Which is a really wide topic. Even if free will is not the end point, it is the discussion area.

Not childish in the sense of the topic itself, it's how the topic is being explored. It's like telling a kid to be catholic because it's safe. If God exists, then you are Catholic so things will turn out good. If He doesn't exist, then it doesn't matter either way. If hell does exist though, you want to be in a religion that will save you. - It's a fake way to go about religion. The premise is to be Catholic for safety, not going to hell, in the chance that it exists. If not, then what does it matter. So you aren't Catholic based on any faith, it is just for kicks. And the funny thing is, if God did exist, that methodology probably wouldnt even do you any good. Because he would know you are just doing it out of some false pre tense to appear good.

For this, you don't address the main points to make things clear. You write a topic to get it viewed. But feel if you wrote a topic title that reflected the post, it would not get views.

In that case, from now on, whenever I start a topic I'll just title it SEX! That will get me a lot of views. But what would it matter if they just go into it, see that it's about something other they don't care about, and don't post. People are either going to care about you topic or they aren't, either way it's not going to change based on how you title the topic.

Substance is everything you want to say about choice. The topic. If you want truth to be the topic then it's what you talk about with that. If you write three words, it can make a point, like 'yes we can', but you have to elaborate on the point. Yes we can... meaning yes we can face the challenges we are dealt and succeed. The how, what, why, when. Yes we can is not a what, why, how, who, when, where. It's just a phrase. I agree it's catchy. It gets attention. But then when you have that attention, when people are listening to you, what do you do with their attention? You can't right a whole presidential speech filled with "yes we can, yes we can. Yes we can. Yes we can. We can. Yes. Yes.We. Can." Somewhere, you have to fill it in with information. That is substance. Sometimes it's good, sometimes its crap. When it's crap, the headlines change to the next new thing the other guy running is telling. 

In the end, it still stands. I don't see what continued posts will lead to. I said they were coming to an end... because eventually we aren't discussing anything. We're just randomly going back in forth... with just the two of us. If other people were interested, they would post. Otherwise, it just goes no where.

posted on November 28th, 2011, 11:36 pm

The thread just isn't going anywhere. 

I see it going some where. It maybe your perception.

We have different phenomenologies.

one of the things I thing you missing is this has nothing to do with philosophy, intellectual curiosity or or any other kind of information gather categories. Its some thing you just get or dont get its in the experiential learning area. You can be dum as a rock and get this stuff and some one how is a Nobel lariat not get this.

I'm fairly well versed in philosophy, it's part of what I took at university and got my degree in. Something I enjoyed in high school, and still try to keep up to date on. I've already stated the connection to free will. You don't agree... which is peculiar considering that free will is humanity's ability to choose, and when you choose, you use your free will. But you don't clarify why free will, ( the ability to choose ), and to choose is different from choose (however you look at it). Because they are practically the same thing. You just say "that's not it". Why? Anything to do with choice, falls under the category of free will. Which is a really wide topic. Even if free will is not the end point, it is the discussion area.

I find the smarter one is the harder it is for people to get this stuff. that truth some some in and but your not opened any more.

As I have said free will and chose are different to make this real for you I am gona give you some examples and I wont to you to tell me witch one is chose and wich one is not chose.

a. A man in jail has information about a inmate how is about to kill some one. If the main in jail tells the gards about this he will be at risk of reprisals and his life is not at risk, but if he dose not he will be safe. He dose not tell the gard. is this choosing?

b. a Woman how is over wate wont's to loss wait, is looking at to wait lose activates and picks one is this choosing?

c. a Woman how is over wate wont's to loss wait, is looking at to wait lose activates and thinks about wich one is best ans ask for more advise on wich one will be easer, this choosing?

d. A man how is waiting TV watch opra instead of mowing the lone is this choosing?

Not childish in the sense of the topic itself, it's how the topic is being explored. It's like telling a kid to be catholic because it's safe. If God exists, then you are Catholic so things will turn out good. If He doesn't exist, then it doesn't matter either way. If hell does exist though, you want to be in a religion that will save you. - It's a fake way to go about religion. The premise is to be Catholic for safety, not going to hell, in the chance that it exists. If not, then what does it matter. So you aren't Catholic based on any faith, it is just for kicks. And the funny thing is, if God did exist, that methodology probably wouldnt even do you any good. Because he would know you are just doing it out of some false pre tense to appear good.

I not share if I get what your saying, so let me ask if I got this right what your saying is: That I am telling you about what to rather then telling you what it is?

For this, you don't address the main points to make things clear. You write a topic to get it viewed. But feel if you wrote a topic title that reflected the post, it would not get views.

I disagree to have chose you need to get that truth is not fixed. I could tell some one truth is not fixed until I am blue in the face and they will not get it. What has they get it is seeing that people are defining truth:

        TEDxOrangeCoast - Amy Purdy - Living Beyond Limits
      - YouTube
 
        'INVICTUS' TRAILER in HD
      - YouTube
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iv50xrsF ... r_embedded
        Running Raw: Possibility
      - YouTube
 
        The Art of Possibility
      - YouTube
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nRSOe-rDa9Y&feature=player_embedded
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xTkKSJSqU-I&feature=player_embedded
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=33tmKcZ3TlQ&feature=player_embedded

All these clips are just that.

In that case, from now on, whenever I start a topic I'll just title it SEX! That will get me a lot of views. But what would it matter if they just go into it, see that it's about something other they don't care about, and don't post. People are either going to care about you topic or they aren't, either way it's not going to change based on how you title the topic.

Some times the text book way of doing this dose not work you need to think out side the box. there is a resign why its called a box.

In the end, it still stands. I don't see what continued posts will lead to. I said they were coming to an end... because eventually we aren't discussing anything. We're just randomly going back in forth... with just the two of us. If other people were interested, they would post. Otherwise, it just goes no where.

Remember beginners mind 

The thread just isn't going anywhere.

We have different phenomenologies.

The weird thing is just how it doesn't seem to translate. I'm not saying anything against choosing. Choice is fine.

We've kind of dominated the thread. People might be clicking on it, to read our posts or I have no clue what, but they aren't posting anything themselves.

I'm fairly well versed in philosophy, it's part of what I took at university and got my degree in. Something I enjoyed in high school, and still try to keep up to date on. I've already stated the connection to free will. You don't agree... which is peculiar considering that free will is humanity's ability to choose, and when you choose, you use your free will. But you don't clarify why free will, ( the ability to choose ), and to choose is different from choose (however you look at it). Because they are practically the same thing. You just say "that's not it". Why? Anything to do with choice, falls under the category of free will. Which is a really wide topic. Even if free will is not the end point, it is the discussion area.

Not childish in the sense of the topic itself, it's how the topic is being explored. It's like telling a kid to be catholic because it's safe. If God exists, then you are Catholic so things will turn out good. If He doesn't exist, then it doesn't matter either way. If hell does exist though, you want to be in a religion that will save you. - It's a fake way to go about religion. The premise is to be Catholic for safety, not going to hell, in the chance that it exists. If not, then what does it matter. So you aren't Catholic based on any faith, it is just for kicks. And the funny thing is, if God did exist, that methodology probably wouldnt even do you any good. Because he would know you are just doing it out of some false pre tense to appear good.

For this, you don't address the main points to make things clear. You write a topic to get it viewed. But feel if you wrote a topic title that reflected the post, it would not get views.

In that case, from now on, whenever I start a topic I'll just title it SEX! That will get me a lot of views. But what would it matter if they just go into it, see that it's about something other they don't care about, and don't post. People are either going to care about you topic or they aren't, either way it's not going to change based on how you title the topic.

Substance is everything you want to say about choice. The topic. If you want truth to be the topic then it's what you talk about with that. If you write three words, it can make a point, like 'yes we can', but you have to elaborate on the point. Yes we can... meaning yes we can face the challenges we are dealt and succeed. The how, what, why, when. Yes we can is not a what, why, how, who, when, where. It's just a phrase. I agree it's catchy. It gets attention. But then when you have that attention, when people are listening to you, what do you do with their attention? You can't right a whole presidential speech filled with "yes we can, yes we can. Yes we can. Yes we can. We can. Yes. Yes.We. Can." Somewhere, you have to fill it in with information. That is substance. Sometimes it's good, sometimes its crap. When it's crap, the headlines change to the next new thing the other guy running is telling.  

In the end, it still stands. I don't see what continued posts will lead to. I said they were coming to an end... because eventually we aren't discussing anything. We're just randomly going back in forth... with just the two of us. If other people were interested, they would post. Otherwise, it just goes no where.

posted on November 29th, 2011, 2:29 am

Sigh.

"its in the experiential learning area." That is phenomenology. How we experience the world.

posted on November 29th, 2011, 7:20 pm

phe·nom·e·non
[fi-nom-uh-non, -nuhn]
- noun, plural-ena-nons 1. fact, occurrence, or circumstance that can be observed 2. extraordinary thing or person
- Related Form    phe·nom·e·nal- adjective

I do not know this word, the last definition I got was difrant.

How ever this definition is a match to what I am talking about eather.

Sigh.

"its in the experiential learning area." That is phenomenology. How we experience the world.