The Federation!!!

posted on October 13th, 2008, 11:56 am

http://thezeitgeistmovement.com/

go here for the movie:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7065205277695921912

Seriously, these people are ripping off star trek! 

posted on October 13th, 2008, 12:23 pm

It'll never work. Even if all Humans became the ideal race, it would revert eventually.

posted on October 13th, 2008, 2:31 pm

This idea has probably been around since humanity first discovered sentience. Every belief system we have ever invented attempts to do this in some form or another, but we are not yet so miserable that we are willing to sacrifice our good for the good of others. Sad isn't it

posted on October 13th, 2008, 4:50 pm

It'll never work. Even if all Humans became the ideal race, it would revert eventually.

While it may be true that negative human emotions such as greed, hatred, etc. will never truly be destroyed, it is also true that today's society fuels these feelings far more than it should.  I still hope that a society like this or the United Federation of Planets will someday be possible.

posted on October 13th, 2008, 5:04 pm

I support the Federation-type society as much as the next person, but if those base feelings cannot be destroyed then they will always be waiting for something to set them off. If it happens, we may end up back as we are now.

posted on October 13th, 2008, 5:33 pm

My take on the article is that those base feelings are a direct result of scarcity. If this is true, then it is compatible with the view that we evolved in a scarce environment. Fierce competition resulted in predator and prey trying to outdo each other, which is one relevant example.

It's difficult to say what would happen if scarcity vanished (which it may do one day, such as when a molecular assembler is invented). Would the base instincts remain, or would they be so minimised as to be irrelevant? I'm an optimist, I think it would be the latter. As the article points out, crime and war usually result from some form of scarcity.

We'll never eliminate our problems but we may squash them into something small. Remember that already in the past century, the male violent death rate (measured as a percentage of the hugely bigger population) dropped sharply. Society has its moral problems, but we live like Kings and Queens compared with our grandparents, who were often too busy trying to warm the house to worry about whether there might be a federation one day.

posted on October 14th, 2008, 1:36 pm

Some people are just selfish, arrogant gits who have a negative personality because they feel like it or want more out of greed. How would that be dealt with?

posted on October 14th, 2008, 2:35 pm

...I think that goes back to nurture vs. nature 

posted on October 17th, 2008, 4:15 pm

If you grow up with all you really needs and there are no fear for the future I belive this pl will be "better".

posted on October 17th, 2008, 5:09 pm

And the people who want more, despite not needing it? You can have the best upbringing possible and still be an 'unpleasant' person (or worse).

posted on October 18th, 2008, 1:20 am

You HAVE to take more then you need, for you never know when your needs will increase. Imo if I can use my greed to get the most money, the best material objects, the most ideal genetic/aesthetic mate, ect. I think I win. Humanity is all about winning. There is a giant U in equal.

Sorry, lol.

posted on October 18th, 2008, 3:56 am

Ahh, the selfish gene

posted on October 18th, 2008, 9:16 am

Yeah. =D. On a seperate note. Figure out that Ant thing yet!? It's eating my brain!

posted on October 18th, 2008, 3:54 pm

Yeah I sent you the info maybe 15 minutes after you asked using Windows Live.... uh oh, lost in transmission 

So basically I believe it is a sub of the worker caste (namely a porter), whose role is to carry food and remove obstacles from the brood path etc. The soldiers can't carry anything due to their curved mandibles, the brood workers can't because they are too small, and since the worker caste is differentiated based on physical size, the smaller ones may fend off parasites while the larger carry the heavy load essentially. 

posted on October 19th, 2008, 9:44 am

=D! TY. I had an interest in ants and it always stunned me.