something i dont fully understand but here it is anyway.

posted on September 10th, 2007, 3:05 am

Are you kidding?  Everything sounds better than this.

posted on September 10th, 2007, 7:29 am

I don't like his theory, Darwins Evolutionism sounds better. I don't believe Humans were created by Aliens. Is he serious?

ewm90, what do you mean by 'Borg slaves'?

Well it sounded like for e moment that he was toking about  a alien coming down and converting us in to some thing els Borg came to mind.

posted on September 10th, 2007, 10:01 am

Are you kidding?  Everything sounds better than this.

Indeed I agree, everything does sound better. However, this does not validate or redeem creationism, if that was your line of reasoning. If you want to do that, first you must explain creation's rapid evolution requirement to me, then you must explain the other 200 misgivings with it, and finally if you don't know what I mean by any of that, then you probably haven't truly considered the timescale and implications if genesis. Yes, genesis is not as weird as the guy in the video, but it's a close second.

posted on September 10th, 2007, 1:48 pm

Are you kidding?  Everything sounds better than this.

Indeed I agree, everything does sound better. However, this does not validate or redeem creationism, if that was your line of reasoning. If you want to do that, first you must explain creation's rapid evolution requirement to me, then you must explain the other 200 misgivings with it, and finally if you don't know what I mean by any of that, then you probably haven't truly considered the timescale and implications if genesis. Yes, genesis is not as weird as the guy in the video, but it's a close second.

How the bloody hell did you misread 'everything' as 'creationism'? 

[Dr. Lazarus]

posted on September 10th, 2007, 1:59 pm

Last edited by Dr. Lazarus on September 10th, 2007, 2:47 pm, edited 1 time in total.

I didn't misread. What else could you have meant? It's well known you are a creationist. If you don't want your words decoding, then don't speak in code. I always make a habit of clearly stating my position. If my posts are not clear as the clearest crystal, then I'm probably drunk or dead. I advise you follow my example  . Perhaps you were just making a general statement, but because your statement was so short, our brains tend to fill in the gaps concerning what we don't know. Our brains are predictive devices, so everytime we read something we check a huge backlog of information about the person, object or event. Since this was a thread about origins, I simply did the same thing.

I would like to reiterate that I am not prone to misreading anything. You should know me well enough by now to know that, if you state your intentions clearly, I will never stuff words in your mouth. However, if you're content to make small, indirect sentences, then I'm content to put words to paper in order to fill in the gaps. Let the stuffing commence  .

PS. Feel free to challenge me about this Red. I could do this all day 

posted on September 10th, 2007, 9:14 pm

I am aware you didn't misread; I was simply offering you a chance to retract the statement if you desire and to convey that I did not intend to make that point.

By you statement here:

What else could you have meant?

It causes me to worry.

Is it inconceivable that I was making a general quip (often called a 'comment') that was simply pointing out the sheer ridiculousness of the stated view?

I feel I should get this out in the open immediately:  Not every comment I give is me spoiling for a debate.

posted on September 10th, 2007, 9:41 pm

I would be quite willing to retract my statement given enough information. It's not inconceivable that you were making a general quip, but in the absence of this knowledge, and considering the nature of the thread (origins), and considering the hard stance you've taken on this in the past, then I'm quite at liberty to make my own interpretation. If you do not want that to happen, then you must be prepared to hit more keys on the keyboard.

In reality, every comment anyone makes is fair game for debate, or discussion or whatever. If you don't wish your very words to be deciphered, analysed, intepreted and paraphrased, then you should publish a PhD thesis and patent the information. Posting in the online world is somewhat different. Of course, I'm aware of what you meant now, but in the future I am just as likely to do the same thing with your comments unless you make them clearer. A lot of people don't understand that, on the web, you can't see facial expressions and gestures. If you want to make a point (even a small one) unambiguously, then you should write longer prose, and use smilies and italics if necessary. You may have noticed that I go to great pains to make sure I'm understood properly. If you don't wish to do that, then prepare to have your comments put through the cow mincing machine.

posted on September 10th, 2007, 9:46 pm

My original quote:

Are you kidding?  Everything sounds better than this.

The simple statement is that this is about the most absurd thing I've ever seen.  How can it get any clearer?

I mean, there aren't even lines to read between.

Have I taken "hard-line" positions in the past?  Yes.  I a debate thread about the issue.  I have never gone about spoiling for a debate and I have no intention of starting that practice.

posted on September 10th, 2007, 10:02 pm

I see what you are trying to say but... I don't believe you! A short statement is not a simple one if it is so empty of information that we lose meaning. There's so much left to the imagination that it is ripe for reading between the lines (the "line" between "Everything" and "sounds better" would be one relevant example).

I wasn't bashing you about taking a hard line about your creation position, because I've done so in the past, as we all do when we believe in something passionately. I do so now, with regards to my position.

I am curious, though, that you are emphasising the absurdity of the video, yet you must know that I view genesis as absurd too. My point is, it may seem clear to you, but to me you're not making a clear distinction because to me, creation is close to it in weirdness. There's a grey area here, and according to my observations, irrational people and religious people share things in common (such as assuming things by default, as well as not understanding the scientific method). It may seem like you occupy an island of clarity, where your post would be clear as day, but that does not take in to account other people's perspectives.

General "quips" are nice when you're at a bar with your friends, and you can yoll your eyes and flash your eyebrows as well as alter your tone, but here they are easily misunderstood. I kindly advise that you learn to love writing novels for posts. You should try it. Works wonders. 

posted on September 10th, 2007, 10:19 pm

Well, this is the 'small talk' section of the forums.

I have never (to my knowledge) stated my opinion on genesis on this forum, and perhaps it is best that I don't so I can just ignore the factor.

Let it be known that you may read into my posts all your wish, but the only truth you shall find is what I put there, simply stated.  Anything extra you infer is purely from your imagination.  Sorry to disappoint.

posted on September 10th, 2007, 10:29 pm

As you know, I have a vivid imagination. Douse it while you still can by making imagination-killing posts. Otherwise, you may expect imaginative, and thoughtful, analyses of all of your posts. 

posted on September 11th, 2007, 1:25 am

I have no intention of getting carpal tunnel due to you, old man.

posted on September 11th, 2007, 1:48 pm

That's a valid point. You may not be surprised to know that I started to get wrist strain last year due to keyboard and mouse use. I had to learn to use the mouse with my left hand, and as for typing, I had to learn... self control.

posted on September 11th, 2007, 2:06 pm

You had to cut back on doctorate-length posts?

posted on September 11th, 2007, 2:31 pm

Yeah, for an agonizingly long time too.