Should be is a lie, it just is.
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posted on June 27th, 2009, 10:56 pm
Last edited by ewm90 on June 30th, 2009, 4:16 pm, edited 1 time in total.
movie added:
This is a famous movie that shakes up should be to a extreme! people are left confused after it until they get its all about doing the opposite of what they think should happen.
These videos tap in to a uncommon way of thinking that have for higher results. With is looking at things "AS SO" not as should be wrong or right just is.
You can think the world should be some way it wont lessen. That car should not hit me WHAME your dead. There is no rhyme or risen for it its just SO.
When one looks at life if one sees it only throw is taking all the interpretations out it works so much better.
There another level to this witch I will post latter about truth.
posted on June 28th, 2009, 1:04 am
lol, Monty python, taken seriously. 
posted on June 28th, 2009, 1:23 am
Shut up Zaxxon, or I'll come at you with this banana (holds up a ripe banana)!
posted on June 28th, 2009, 6:26 am
Last edited by ewm90 on June 28th, 2009, 10:47 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Truth is a interrelation also.
Is it the truth that the USA is the best country in the world .. NO .. Thats so is its a country .. What I think is its the best country in the world to me.
Is it the truth that gravity always go's down no its a theory that has not ben proven wrong yet.
Is it the truth that people on the forum here are not opened and live in a world that they know and don't look out side of it .. NO .. Thats so is people posted allot of things in this topic witch have nothing to do with it.
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I have given you what could be your only chance to have that live you wont. Do with it what you will.
Is it the truth that the USA is the best country in the world .. NO .. Thats so is its a country .. What I think is its the best country in the world to me.
Is it the truth that gravity always go's down no its a theory that has not ben proven wrong yet.
Is it the truth that people on the forum here are not opened and live in a world that they know and don't look out side of it .. NO .. Thats so is people posted allot of things in this topic witch have nothing to do with it.
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I have given you what could be your only chance to have that live you wont. Do with it what you will.
posted on June 28th, 2009, 2:52 pm
I did watch the videos Ewm, and they are interesting to me; I just didn't feel willing to spark a new debate on global warming, because the way the last one "ended" was ridiculous.
I by no means meant to offend you
I by no means meant to offend you
posted on June 28th, 2009, 3:50 pm
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I posted it not about global worming but about the way he looks at global warming witch is a way that he looked at it is a way that removes all should be and meaning from the conversation.
Look at the 1st move what he said is what I hoped people would take from the second one.
What ever happens in the future happened and we have a say but this is not about that.
I have a way of looking t things that lets me "get over upsets relay fast" I said what I said to help you get the impact of what you posted. For me its not about wrong or right its about what helps the world and the people in it reach there goals.
The end of the video dose take away from what I am about and he dose say he is interested in changing there thinking not only global worming.
Look at the 1st move what he said is what I hoped people would take from the second one.
What ever happens in the future happened and we have a say but this is not about that.
I have a way of looking t things that lets me "get over upsets relay fast" I said what I said to help you get the impact of what you posted. For me its not about wrong or right its about what helps the world and the people in it reach there goals.
The end of the video dose take away from what I am about and he dose say he is interested in changing there thinking not only global worming.
posted on June 28th, 2009, 4:35 pm
What I think is its the best country in the world to me.
Well, and at this point we are in a field of argumentation, right? There we split up and we have other people who might not think so. Because they are NOT you.
Well, I dont have the exact data in my head, but there was a statistic of the "per head"-consumption of energy and CO2 emissions and the USA was on top of all others. Thats not a thing you can discuss or solve with words or spread it with a few mouse-clicks to solve the problem. What you need is a change in the gouvernement mind. And as far as I know, in the USA the economy is on place #1 of the priority list.
And when I compare the wise manager that made the bank-system crippled and thanks to that every country involved with these banks got also problems thanks to it too, I see a huge unbalance between making something and getting credtis for it.
For example here in Europe, we dont have anything to do with the house-market of the USA, but here the economy got ditched because of the links from house-market to bank-system to overall-loan-system. And, oh happy day, we have a crisis.
Tell me, what have I as audiology-engineer to do with the marketing in Manhattan that was the source of the whole.... happy thing?
BUT I have to bleed for the incompetence of those bankers. So, the first thing I would like to change is the responsibility. When someone will do something bad, he must stand for it. And if the whole economy might break down through it, then let it take place. After the collapse, we have about 15 or 20 years to recover and then we have a new and better system. And if THAT system might break down, than we get an even better system back, because people can learn out of failures.
I would help if the startet to think about what they acutally do it the first place, but the masses are unbelivalbe dense people. And they dont stop being dense, even if they are senators or presidents or dictators or company-leaders.
But who cares? Even if we KNOW this fact, nothing will change. Even if we have a large demonstration against pollution nothing will change.
Why dont we build up a compoany that can produce extrem efficient solar panels on the top of the buildings for a low proce, when they are mass produced? Because nobody will buy it because energy is:
a) Cheap
b) easy to get
You dont need to buy a solar panel for 20.000 bucks, you just leave it be. But in the next year you buy yourself a new car for 20.000 bucks. Why? Because the car is for you and everyone can see it.
This problem got all advanced developed countries. The egoism of the people that live there. And this problem will increase.
posted on June 28th, 2009, 6:41 pm
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Now Sheva,
Thank you for your input.
this is topic is about "taking the should out of the way" so when one looks at some thing for what "it is" there is nothing to argue its all is so and you can argue about what so its like arguing way would looks is wrong makes no scents .
this topic is not about global worming its about the way to look at global worming and other some times insurmountable problems one may come across in life..
Be for leaning this I always thought my life should be some other way and I tear my self to bits trying to get that way, what I did not see is that when I reached the place I was looking for my should be changed to some thing else. when I remove should be from my view of my life life was so so much beater! I highly recommend you do the same for your life you may be surprised at how much beater life can be. Things just are not excepting this can latterly kill you.
I have heard of terminally ill people how actually truly got better by taking this on in there life.
I updated this post.
Thank you for your input.
this is topic is about "taking the should out of the way" so when one looks at some thing for what "it is" there is nothing to argue its all is so and you can argue about what so its like arguing way would looks is wrong makes no scents .
this topic is not about global worming its about the way to look at global worming and other some times insurmountable problems one may come across in life..
Be for leaning this I always thought my life should be some other way and I tear my self to bits trying to get that way, what I did not see is that when I reached the place I was looking for my should be changed to some thing else. when I remove should be from my view of my life life was so so much beater! I highly recommend you do the same for your life you may be surprised at how much beater life can be. Things just are not excepting this can latterly kill you.
I have heard of terminally ill people how actually truly got better by taking this on in there life.
Well, and at this point we are in a field of argumentation, right? There we split up and we have other people who might not think so. Because they are NOT you.
Well, I dont have the exact data in my head, but there was a statistic of the "per head"-consumption of energy and CO2 emissions and the USA was on top of all others. Thats not a thing you can discuss or solve with words or spread it with a few mouse-clicks to solve the problem. What you need is a change in the gouvernement mind. And as far as I know, in the USA the economy is on place #1 of the priority list.
And when I compare the wise manager that made the bank-system crippled and thanks to that every country involved with these banks got also problems thanks to it too, I see a huge unbalance between making something and getting credtis for it.
For example here in Europe, we dont have anything to do with the house-market of the USA, but here the economy got ditched because of the links from house-market to bank-system to overall-loan-system. And, oh happy day, we have a crisis.
Tell me, what have I as audiology-engineer to do with the marketing in Manhattan that was the source of the whole.... happy thing?
BUT I have to bleed for the incompetence of those bankers. So, the first thing I would like to change is the responsibility. When someone will do something bad, he must stand for it. And if the whole economy might break down through it, then let it take place. After the collapse, we have about 15 or 20 years to recover and then we have a new and better system. And if THAT system might break down, than we get an even better system back, because people can learn out of failures.
I would help if the startet to think about what they acutally do it the first place, but the masses are unbelivalbe dense people. And they dont stop being dense, even if they are senators or presidents or dictators or company-leaders.
But who cares? Even if we KNOW this fact, nothing will change. Even if we have a large demonstration against pollution nothing will change.
Why dont we build up a compoany that can produce extrem efficient solar panels on the top of the buildings for a low proce, when they are mass produced? Because nobody will buy it because energy is:
a) Cheap
b) easy to get
You dont need to buy a solar panel for 20.000 bucks, you just leave it be. But in the next year you buy yourself a new car for 20.000 bucks. Why? Because the car is for you and everyone can see it.
This problem got all advanced developed countries. The egoism of the people that live there. And this problem will increase.
I updated this post.
posted on June 28th, 2009, 7:39 pm
Well, it is a little bit hard to understand your last post, when I read the grammar. Can you rewirte it please? I dont think I got the whole picture. I can only try to figure out what you meant.
And if you were trying to say that I should go with open eyes through my life, then I have to tell you: I already do. And not only that, after 3 or 4 metamorphosism of my whole thinking I think I finally found a view of the world that fits me. Its a cruel view, based on logic, possabilities, the art of life itself and the things that stop us from doing better than we already can.
And if you look this way, you not only have your 2-dim system of squares to argue, you have a 3-dim system.
Not only "Yes" and "No" and "it got an effect" and "no effect" it also got the factor "personal" and "masses". (You can change masses to dense-factor, if you like)
When we have the ability to do something, we can do MANY things. We can for example start wars against people we think that they are terrorists. And when we do that, we might get put a finger on people who dont have anything to do with it, because we CAN. If it makes sense to start wars, to infiltrate the personal life of people, if it is good to cripple the economy system of other countries or if it is good to destroy the tree we are sitting on, thats out of range.
Why is it out of range? Because people are too silly to realise the whole system behind the tiny actions they see. Because people want to erase the consequences of their acting, not the source itself. And it is everywhere the same. In the USA, in Germany, everywhere.
Here for example, the politicans try to prohibit games that have "kill" contents, because the younger generation might get a bad influence from it. They try to forbit prons on the internet and try to spy out computers.
Take it all together and you see: They try to erase the consequences. Violent youngsters are not popping out of the blue, they GET violent and WILL to amok.runs because they get pissed off from the whole social system.
You read it in their letters they write right before running wild. And these letters are read.
Conclusion out of it: "The amok-runner did'nt run amok because he was pissed off the social network around him like he WROTE, he got wild because of the killer games he played"
Sure. I say: If there were no killer games, he had run amok much earlier, because it was a kind of valve.
... I can continue but I hope you got the picture.
Going through the life with open eyes and do the things you want. And honestly, I give a s*** on our society, because it plays around in double standards. A thing I can NEVER accept.
And if you were trying to say that I should go with open eyes through my life, then I have to tell you: I already do. And not only that, after 3 or 4 metamorphosism of my whole thinking I think I finally found a view of the world that fits me. Its a cruel view, based on logic, possabilities, the art of life itself and the things that stop us from doing better than we already can.
And if you look this way, you not only have your 2-dim system of squares to argue, you have a 3-dim system.
Not only "Yes" and "No" and "it got an effect" and "no effect" it also got the factor "personal" and "masses". (You can change masses to dense-factor, if you like)
When we have the ability to do something, we can do MANY things. We can for example start wars against people we think that they are terrorists. And when we do that, we might get put a finger on people who dont have anything to do with it, because we CAN. If it makes sense to start wars, to infiltrate the personal life of people, if it is good to cripple the economy system of other countries or if it is good to destroy the tree we are sitting on, thats out of range.
Why is it out of range? Because people are too silly to realise the whole system behind the tiny actions they see. Because people want to erase the consequences of their acting, not the source itself. And it is everywhere the same. In the USA, in Germany, everywhere.
Here for example, the politicans try to prohibit games that have "kill" contents, because the younger generation might get a bad influence from it. They try to forbit prons on the internet and try to spy out computers.
Take it all together and you see: They try to erase the consequences. Violent youngsters are not popping out of the blue, they GET violent and WILL to amok.runs because they get pissed off from the whole social system.
You read it in their letters they write right before running wild. And these letters are read.
Conclusion out of it: "The amok-runner did'nt run amok because he was pissed off the social network around him like he WROTE, he got wild because of the killer games he played"
Sure. I say: If there were no killer games, he had run amok much earlier, because it was a kind of valve.
... I can continue but I hope you got the picture.
Going through the life with open eyes and do the things you want. And honestly, I give a s*** on our society, because it plays around in double standards. A thing I can NEVER accept.
posted on June 28th, 2009, 7:44 pm
You disagreed with me but there was nothing respectful about it. I am glad o hear that you are infect opened to ideas which is not how you seemed.
I welcome any and all respectful input that forwards the conversation.
Thank you for taking a level responsibility for what you posted. Your are very welcome to post here. I do request you delete those post that detract from the topic thanks you.
4 days ago I was told of one man how had damaged his lungs from smoking to the pot where his doctors told him your life span was dramatically cut from the damage and threes nothing they could do.
He took on a huge life rerfomring the way we look at smoking with using the ways of thinking and his lungs actually started to heal a bit he got 30% of his lungs back.
I welcome any and all respectful input that forwards the conversation.
Thank you for taking a level responsibility for what you posted. Your are very welcome to post here. I do request you delete those post that detract from the topic thanks you.
4 days ago I was told of one man how had damaged his lungs from smoking to the pot where his doctors told him your life span was dramatically cut from the damage and threes nothing they could do.
He took on a huge life rerfomring the way we look at smoking with using the ways of thinking and his lungs actually started to heal a bit he got 30% of his lungs back.
posted on June 28th, 2009, 10:41 pm
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posts deleted as promised. i would gladly join the discussion but i don't think U would appreciate what i have to say and how i would say it. instead of starting a flame war i'll quit here and spare us many lines of pointless argument.
posted on June 28th, 2009, 10:50 pm
Thank you, This will make a differences for people!
I have nor have had any desire for making this conversation negative witch would run completely counter to what I post.
So let me ask you what are you getting from this topic so far?
I have nor have had any desire for making this conversation negative witch would run completely counter to what I post.
So let me ask you what are you getting from this topic so far?
posted on June 30th, 2009, 12:10 am
Wow, You really surprised me ewm, I find myself completely agreeing with you post number 4 I believe.
All things are subject to personal Perception, observation, and interpretation. Therefore, Unless we see the same thing, believe the same things about it, and interpret it the same way, only then can we start to agree about the truth of it. This almost never happens, So all to often People accept others conclusions instead of finding things out own their own.
All things are subject to personal Perception, observation, and interpretation. Therefore, Unless we see the same thing, believe the same things about it, and interpret it the same way, only then can we start to agree about the truth of it. This almost never happens, So all to often People accept others conclusions instead of finding things out own their own.
posted on June 30th, 2009, 12:28 am
Everything we see is subjective....one person sees USA as the land of "milk and honey" another sees it as a quickly turning corperate/socialistick/elitist war on middle class yadda yadda.....nevermind bout that. Not to change the focus of this topic but it seems like everything revolves around responsibilty. Ill tell bout an event that happened here in my hometown....A 15 year old shot his father and mother..the mother died but the father after having surgery lived...The kid was detained and held in a juvenile detention facilty til his trial...the media here sensationalized it and as soon as someone mentioned he played halo the media turned into the old violent games cause kids to kill argument. The thing is it had nothing to do over the game itself...but they partially used as a defense at trial..what the hell might as well draw inspiration from the media to defend urself....but anyways everybody relies so heavily on what other people see and tell them...no one takes responsibilty to see or learn for themselves...People belive that if its on the news its true or thats the whole story...let me get back to the kid and the shooting again...The kid got the gun from his fathers gun locker wwhich was locked however the kid had access to the keys....Did the father own up to any responsibilty for making his guns easily accesible?..the answer is no....Everyone blamed halo for this kid killing his mom....that is except his family whom I know his sister..the kid was just having a temper tatrum over being grounded.....
If more people took responsibilty for themselves the world would be a much better quality but unfortunately they dont....instead you have people who donate to 3rd world countries and feel good about it while their neighboor is being forclosed on their house....you have ceos taking bigger bonuses every year.....you have ecology groups screaming help the planet but when it comes down to are they willing to sacrifice and pay the price for the change they are not willing........you have a presedent in the USA who has secretly declared open war of middle class america putting millions out of jobs and claiming he is saving jobs with his reforms.....he says change is dificult....but yet he dose not change with the people he forces to change.....you have peoples going to war with each other cuz they are not willing to accept blame.........
The world is rife with iresponsibilty and it will always be so...That is the eternal strugle of manking...to take responsibilty for their own actions....we as a people and as a sentient race have many abilties and the "can do" but we dont do...we know certain things are bad yet we continue to do them....Its in our nature I guess.....I used to think people were so self centered but as I matured I discovered that that really isnt it...its more like people just dont resonsibilty.....They will take credit for the positive but not for the negative.....
Typicly the ones that have the ideas fall into two categories...they are either embraced and hearlded as a saint or something or they are totaly shunned.....yes u have grassroot movements and I would catergorized them into the saint category....people fail to see that there are more than 2 sides to arguments......and that is what we must overcome.
If more people took responsibilty for themselves the world would be a much better quality but unfortunately they dont....instead you have people who donate to 3rd world countries and feel good about it while their neighboor is being forclosed on their house....you have ceos taking bigger bonuses every year.....you have ecology groups screaming help the planet but when it comes down to are they willing to sacrifice and pay the price for the change they are not willing........you have a presedent in the USA who has secretly declared open war of middle class america putting millions out of jobs and claiming he is saving jobs with his reforms.....he says change is dificult....but yet he dose not change with the people he forces to change.....you have peoples going to war with each other cuz they are not willing to accept blame.........
The world is rife with iresponsibilty and it will always be so...That is the eternal strugle of manking...to take responsibilty for their own actions....we as a people and as a sentient race have many abilties and the "can do" but we dont do...we know certain things are bad yet we continue to do them....Its in our nature I guess.....I used to think people were so self centered but as I matured I discovered that that really isnt it...its more like people just dont resonsibilty.....They will take credit for the positive but not for the negative.....
Typicly the ones that have the ideas fall into two categories...they are either embraced and hearlded as a saint or something or they are totaly shunned.....yes u have grassroot movements and I would catergorized them into the saint category....people fail to see that there are more than 2 sides to arguments......and that is what we must overcome.
posted on June 30th, 2009, 12:41 am
Posted by: Adm. Zaxxon
Wow good for you!!! I will call that a brake though.
Thats why theses tools are so important.
When you look at some thing as empty and meaningless thats the godfather if you will of taking interpretation out of the equation. There are all kinds of different tools and techniques to have this happen witch I will post more in the future.
The next level to that is realizing that we are meaning making Musseen's and the way to keep working at full strength is to look for meaning and take meaning out all the time be on the hunt for it.
RYDERSTORM
Relay good observation.
responsibility is a tuff one tho, one has to get past morality with a another way of looking at taking interpretations out witch this post leads in too. I will start another topic on that one. Thats gonna be a tuff one for me to moderate well so was empty and meaningless but I will take it on soon but you are on to some thing with "responsibility".
Wow good for you!!! I will call that a brake though.
Thats why theses tools are so important.
When you look at some thing as empty and meaningless thats the godfather if you will of taking interpretation out of the equation. There are all kinds of different tools and techniques to have this happen witch I will post more in the future.
The next level to that is realizing that we are meaning making Musseen's and the way to keep working at full strength is to look for meaning and take meaning out all the time be on the hunt for it.
RYDERSTORM
Relay good observation.
responsibility is a tuff one tho, one has to get past morality with a another way of looking at taking interpretations out witch this post leads in too. I will start another topic on that one. Thats gonna be a tuff one for me to moderate well so was empty and meaningless but I will take it on soon but you are on to some thing with "responsibility".
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