Remembrance...
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posted on September 12th, 2007, 4:18 am
live in your little world if you wish EWM people like me can face the facts and get on with life the people died let us at least honer them with the lack of stupidity
posted on September 12th, 2007, 4:30 am
I live in the facts it maybe a litel world but its the real world.
The facts are not stupid why do you support a lie from a man how has bean wrong about every signal thing not a egesageration. I don't understand your Idea of what you think is real.
The facts are not stupid why do you support a lie from a man how has bean wrong about every signal thing not a egesageration. I don't understand your Idea of what you think is real.
posted on September 12th, 2007, 7:16 am
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posted on September 12th, 2007, 9:05 am
er... 2? whats with the 1 dude? 
anyway, RIP all the souls who lost the lives that day, hope their families find the strength to cope with their loss.
anyway, RIP all the souls who lost the lives that day, hope their families find the strength to cope with their loss.
Dr. Lazarus
posted on September 12th, 2007, 1:20 pm
Ewm, as Lumpy said earlier, you may well be right, and you may be wrong, but here's most definitely not the place for it. You obviously can't see it, but you are being highly disrespectful. If you want to discuss your opinion about the motives of the Iraq war, set up another thread topic.
Think about the families of the victims. I'd bet that the majority of them are pacifists who despise the Iraq war. Imagine how upset you'd make them by minimising the deaths of their loved ones like this. The citizens of America are not responsible for the actions of the leadership, they are just trying to rebuild their lives as much as possible. You've effectively turned a respectful remembrance into a political debate. You wouldn't do it at the funeral of a 9-11 victim (I hope), so show some respect and don't do it in this thread.
One other thing for some of the other guys. I'm disgusted at ewm's behaviour, but try not to say "may God forgive you". To a person who does not believe in a God, this is insulting, implies superiority and favour, and risks fanning the flames of an argument which shouldn't have happened.
Think about the families of the victims. I'd bet that the majority of them are pacifists who despise the Iraq war. Imagine how upset you'd make them by minimising the deaths of their loved ones like this. The citizens of America are not responsible for the actions of the leadership, they are just trying to rebuild their lives as much as possible. You've effectively turned a respectful remembrance into a political debate. You wouldn't do it at the funeral of a 9-11 victim (I hope), so show some respect and don't do it in this thread.
One other thing for some of the other guys. I'm disgusted at ewm's behaviour, but try not to say "may God forgive you". To a person who does not believe in a God, this is insulting, implies superiority and favour, and risks fanning the flames of an argument which shouldn't have happened.
posted on September 12th, 2007, 2:38 pm
ewm90 wrote:How am I disrespecting the dad by tiring to get the truth out. You mis understand my motivation.
Ewm, it's your perception of truth. That means nothing more that the other 6 billion plus perceptions out there.
Ewm, leave it alone or make another thread. But don't dishonor the dead like this.
posted on September 12th, 2007, 6:34 pm
Dr. Lazarus wrote:Ewm, as Lumpy said earlier, you may well be right, and you may be wrong, but here's most definitely not the place for it. You obviously can't see it, but you are being highly disrespectful. If you want to discuss your opinion about the motives of the Iraq war, set up another thread topic.
Think about the families of the victims. I'd bet that the majority of them are pacifists who despise the Iraq war. Imagine how upset you'd make them by minimising the deaths of their loved ones like this. The citizens of America are not responsible for the actions of the leadership, they are just trying to rebuild their lives as much as possible. You've effectively turned a respectful remembrance into a political debate. You wouldn't do it at the funeral of a 9-11 victim (I hope), so show some respect and don't do it in this thread.
One other thing for some of the other guys. I'm disgusted at ewm's behaviour, but try not to say "may God forgive you". To a person who does not believe in a God, this is insulting, implies superiority and favour, and risks fanning the flames of an argument which shouldn't have happened.
I disagree Iraq was invated becuss of 911 the Iraq report was relested on septiber 11. I think they are connected at the hip.
It was a haribale thing that happened on 911 but whats even weirs is that many more inasent people have died and are dieing for a lie it is disrespectful to their memory and to the troth let this like go one more day!Its not easy to chalege the common idea aspeshaly about some this like this but if the idea is not changed the lessons that should have bean leaned for all those deaths and the deaths that happen every day over and over men woman and children and are not it 100 more times of a tragedy.
If no one speaks up it will just happen again!
Dr. Lazarus
posted on September 12th, 2007, 7:30 pm
It doesn't matter if there's a damned connection or not, you're clearly missing the point. Try advancing your "truth" at a remembrance service for 9-11 victims and see what response you get. They don't care, they hate war and just want to remember their family members. So, please, stop banging on about how Iraq happened because of 9-11. Go tell that to George Bush, or make another thread. I beg you. Why not construct a little sentence for your next response paying your respects to the many and varied victims of the attacks, and as you do so, slow your typing right down so that you produce fewer typos. Just a little advice.
posted on September 12th, 2007, 7:37 pm
But the problem the victims is that they are still happing. every death that happens in the name of 911 is part of 911.
911 is not over....
911 is not over....
Dr. Lazarus
posted on September 12th, 2007, 8:03 pm
First, here is not the place to air your view. There is a time and place for everything. Now is not the time and here is not the place. Second, your view (that the deaths happen in the name of 9-11) is an opinion, not a fact and is subjective, not objective. If you must launch a truth crusade, you must first firmly establish what the truth is, in a way that is not biased or tainted by politics.
To introduce political arguments into a remembrance thread is in particularly bad taste. What were you thinking? Should I be as bold as to say you should be ashamed? Remembrance is about having a memorial, not to ponder the whys and wherefores of an event, nor to protest about other injustices that may be directly or indirectly related to it.
If Bush and Blair had decided not to invade Iraq, we would still be here remembering the 9-11 victims. What would you have done then? What would you have told the family members? I'm sure you feel strongly about various injustices commited by our governments, but try to show a little restraint here. There are Iraq forums throughout the web where you can let off steam.
To introduce political arguments into a remembrance thread is in particularly bad taste. What were you thinking? Should I be as bold as to say you should be ashamed? Remembrance is about having a memorial, not to ponder the whys and wherefores of an event, nor to protest about other injustices that may be directly or indirectly related to it.
If Bush and Blair had decided not to invade Iraq, we would still be here remembering the 9-11 victims. What would you have done then? What would you have told the family members? I'm sure you feel strongly about various injustices commited by our governments, but try to show a little restraint here. There are Iraq forums throughout the web where you can let off steam.
posted on September 12th, 2007, 8:17 pm
If a thread about 911 is not a place to talk about 911 I don't know ware is. So becose you don't share my openen makes my openon wrong?
If 911 is not political I don't know what is. every thing that is done in the name of the usa is political. Stop thinking as the government leader ship think you should think and see the truth. Be independent and challenge the comen thot. You are smart start using you intelligentsias and stop being a ant in the hill make a independent vuwe.
I would have had different vuwe for deferent sectiations of cores.
If 911 is not political I don't know what is. every thing that is done in the name of the usa is political. Stop thinking as the government leader ship think you should think and see the truth. Be independent and challenge the comen thot. You are smart start using you intelligentsias and stop being a ant in the hill make a independent vuwe.
I would have had different vuwe for deferent sectiations of cores.
Dr. Lazarus
posted on September 12th, 2007, 8:41 pm
If a thread about 911 is not a place to talk about 911 I don't know ware is. So becose you don't share my openen makes my openon wrong?
Exactly! You've hit the nail on the head. This is a place to talk about 9-11 (more specifically, the victims), not Iraq. It was you that made the link to Iraq. It's irrelevant that I don't share your opinion. In fact, I haven't even voiced my opinion since this is not the place. Therefore, I don't know how you know that I don't share your opinion.
If 911 is not political I don't know what is. every thing that is done in the name of the usa is political. Stop thinking as the government leader ship think you should think and see the truth. Be independent and challenge the comen thot.
For the families of the victims, 9-11 was absoutely not "political" based on your seeming defintion. "Politics" is an overused word that gets slapped on virtually anything to do with life. This results in people who try to stay away from political controversy being accused of hypocrisy, when in fact the hypocrisy is the other way around. Perhaps is you'd lost a family member on 9-11, you'd understand what I mean by politics being the last thing on your mind.
ou are smart start using you intelligentsias and stop being a ant in the hill make a independent vuwe.
You're patronising me now, in a very weak attempt to use my intelligence as a weapon against me. I promise you, it hasn't worked. In reality, I do have an independent view, but I have not voiced it because this thread is about remembering the victims, and nothing else. If I thought it necessary to state my view, I would do so with such a clarity that there would be no ambiguity. I will not do this just because you are eager to turn this thread into a political debate, which I find disgusting.
One more thing, ewm. I'm not an "ant in the mill". My thought is about as independent as it gets, and in fact independent thought and integrity to myself and to the truth are cores of my personality. You insult me at the highest, most personal level to suggest that I am otherwise. However, you will never squeeze these things out of me in a solemn rememberence thread. Not now, Not ever.
I'm going to try to wind this down, as I already feel bad that I've participated in this charade in this thread, effectively becoming as guilty as you are. You really need to find a stick to chew on or something ewm, or some steel balls to fondle, in order to channel some of your energies into safe areas where you will do no damage.
posted on September 12th, 2007, 9:09 pm
Last edited by ewm90 on September 12th, 2007, 9:12 pm, edited 1 time in total.
911 is part of 911 I am sorry you cant see the truth. The excuse is as much a port of the consaquises as the fast.
Watch this: YouTube - How Bush Links 9-11 & Iraq
The fact you are missing the fact that you think the way you do IS A POLITTACL destion. Well any thing and every thing called be call politcal and you could make a argument that ting my should is political.
I just think it is to easy to fall in to the plitcol mud on both side the democrats are spineless dose not mean we have to.
I am gillty of only posting my own vue and I dont fee; guilty of posting what I see as the truth I feel liberated.
Watch this: YouTube - How Bush Links 9-11 & Iraq
The fact you are missing the fact that you think the way you do IS A POLITTACL destion. Well any thing and every thing called be call politcal and you could make a argument that ting my should is political.
I just think it is to easy to fall in to the plitcol mud on both side the democrats are spineless dose not mean we have to.
I am gillty of only posting my own vue and I dont fee; guilty of posting what I see as the truth I feel liberated.
posted on September 12th, 2007, 9:26 pm
"Remembrance..." is the title of this thread.
Indeed this thread is about 9-11, obviously it is.
As political as 9-11 might be I can't find the post intending to make this thread a political one.
It's called "Remembrance..." to remember the dead and the horror this day saw and whatever YouTube might bring up and whatever George W. Bush might link to anything else: 9-11 is not about Iraq and political decisions.
9-11 is about an attack against humanity, civilization and incredible grief.
Whatever 9-11 lead to I regard it as highly impious to exploit its victims - and they are what this thread is about and what we shall remember - as a reason for anything.
There's no link between the dead of 9-11 and anything else which happend as a political reaction.
So, please, start a new topic for that, okay?
Indeed this thread is about 9-11, obviously it is.
As political as 9-11 might be I can't find the post intending to make this thread a political one.
It's called "Remembrance..." to remember the dead and the horror this day saw and whatever YouTube might bring up and whatever George W. Bush might link to anything else: 9-11 is not about Iraq and political decisions.
9-11 is about an attack against humanity, civilization and incredible grief.
Whatever 9-11 lead to I regard it as highly impious to exploit its victims - and they are what this thread is about and what we shall remember - as a reason for anything.
There's no link between the dead of 9-11 and anything else which happend as a political reaction.
So, please, start a new topic for that, okay?
posted on September 12th, 2007, 9:30 pm
Everyone just ignore him, he thrives on our negative emotions towards him. If he wants to douche this topic up, fine, but the trick is we don't have to read any of his jibberish.
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